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WLAV Tower Relocation - new update 7/29

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Re: WLAV Tower Relocation - UPDATE 7/29

Post by MWmetalhead » Sun Jun 30, 2019 9:34 pm

WGRD comes in fairly well on a car radio nearly all days until mile marker 135 on US-131. The signal hits a cliff and dives rapidly once one crosses the Muskegon River just a few miles south of Big Rapids,.

With even a little bit of favorable atmospheric conditions, WGRD blasts in much farther north.

I hate how much 93.7 The Ticket from Wexford County cuts into B93's signal in the Big Rapids, Bitely, and Big Star Lake areas.


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Re: WLAV Tower Relocation

Post by CK-722 » Sun Jun 30, 2019 9:44 pm

MWmetalhead wrote:
Sun Jun 30, 2019 9:34 pm
WGRD comes in fairly well on a car radio nearly all days until mile marker 135 on US-131. The signal hits a cliff and dives rapidly once one crosses the Muskegon River just a few miles south of Big Rapids,.

With even a little bit of favorable atmospheric conditions, WGRD blasts in much farther north.

I hate how much 93.7 The Ticket from Wexford County cuts into B93's signal in the Big Rapids, Bitely, and Big Star Lake areas.
If it weren't for competitors trying to pull fast ones to prevent upgrades, neither 93.7 Harrietta nor 93.7 Frankenmuth would have been dropped in, at least as early as at the time they were. By fighting the upgrades, the competitors ended up with another whole station to compete with. And interference to The Superpower "Beast", WBCT. Everyone thought you couldn't do it because WJFM/WBCT was super powered at 470/320 kW. In fact, it is only considered as a 50 kW/150 meter Class B for allotment purposes.

How, you say, did this happen? By asking if there were alternatives to what the competitors proposed in Petitions to Deny and Petitions For Rule Making. There were alternatives, but you had to think outside the box. Be careful what you try to stop from happening. That's how both surfaced. Neither the stations nor their attorneys could resist the possibility of an entirely new station. Even if it got more interference from WBCT than a regular Class B.


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Re: WLAV Tower Relocation

Post by CK-722 » Sun Jun 30, 2019 10:07 pm

The extensively LOS location near Reed City is near Wells Lake, near where 170th Avenue and 13 Mile Rd. intersect in Osceola County.


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Re: WLAV Tower Relocation

Post by CK-722 » Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:11 am

We talked about the WLAV-FM tower on the 6 Fountain Street TL. The tower dates to circa 1940, when most stations were already putting up monopoles. WLAV (AM) located on the top of the building and was on 1310 for a short time, until March 29, 1941, when they moved to 1340. WOOD was on 1270 at the time, and moved to 1300 in 1941. Some were confused and didn't believe it was on 1310, thinking WOOD was on 1300. Both moved at the same time.

Right next door, at 24 Fountain Street, is the Fountain Street Church, which has a bell tower that is almost as high as the old WLAV tower. Look at the 3D Satellite Phoetographs on Google if you don't believe it.

They used to have R & B Artist Concerts at the Fountain Street Church, and I suspect that caused a lot of controversy in Grand Rapids. Even some of the artists didn't want to play there because they felt their music conflicted with church teachings.

Found the story by accident.

http://www.westmichmusichystericalsociety.com/fsc-2/


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Re: WLAV Tower Relocation

Post by Gary Hunt » Tue Jul 09, 2019 11:58 am

I don't know if this has ever been posted on this sight, but it's well worth the read and view of the pictures captured in 1940 of WLAV radio. Here's a two (2) page scanned Grand Rapids Mirror magazine article from Volume VII-No. 3 from the Fall 1940. WLAV "Your Friendly Neighbor of the Air", contains several pictures. It's a very historical article. Maybe I should have started a new topic for this one.

Page 1: https://photos.app.goo.gl/RfmqKxk2Y3tdobCUA
Page 2: https://photos.app.goo.gl/tJHUXtWNVpvUj1tR6

Enjoy!

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Re: WLAV Tower Relocation

Post by CK-722 » Tue Jul 09, 2019 10:25 pm

Well, just to go off on another tangent, I was not surprised when I researched the Fountain Street Church and found it had similar origins to Woodside Church in Flint. Both had been Baptist Churches, and are now socially active Nondenominational churches. Woodside had a lot of recitals and concerts, but I don't think it was ever used as a R&B/Jazz/Pop/Folk/Rock venue, as those were held at the IMA Auditorium, The Sippin' Lizzard, Mt. Holly, and Sherwood Forest. I suspect that mid to late 20th century Grand Rapids was not overly fond of secular music, and Fountain Street Church provided a(nother) venue for those types of concerts. Woodside was in a Modern church building designed by the Saarinens, rather than a traditional ornate church/parsonage/rectory/abbey complex like 24 Fountain Street. It was recently sold to Mott CC and has moved.


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Re: WLAV Tower Relocation

Post by ftballfan » Wed Jul 10, 2019 9:45 am

CK-722 wrote:
Tue Jul 09, 2019 10:25 pm
Well, just to go off on another tangent, I was not surprised when I researched the Fountain Street Church and found it had similar origins to Woodside Church in Flint. Both had been Baptist Churches, and are now socially active Nondenominational churches. Woodside had a lot of recitals and concerts, but I don't think it was ever used as a R&B/Jazz/Pop/Folk/Rock venue, as those were held at the IMA Auditorium, The Sippin' Lizzard, Mt. Holly, and Sherwood Forest. I suspect that mid to late 20th century Grand Rapids was not overly fond of secular music, and Fountain Street Church provided a(nother) venue for those types of concerts. Woodside was in a Modern church building designed by the Saarinens, rather than a traditional ornate church/parsonage/rectory/abbey complex like 24 Fountain Street. It was recently sold to Mott CC and has moved.
Also, Grand Rapids didn't have a decent large indoor venue until Van Andel Arena opened. I've noticed how many tours in the 1970s, 1980s, and early 1990s skipped Grand Rapids but played one or more of Kalamazoo, Saginaw, Flint, Lansing, Muskegon, and (during the summer) Val-du-Lakes and Castle Pines.



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Re: WLAV Tower Relocation

Post by CK-722 » Wed Jul 10, 2019 11:17 am

I was just reading that for a short time in 1877, Fountain Street Baptist Church was the tallest structure in MICHIGAN. It burned down in 1917, so I don't know if the bell tower is the same. Has anyone noticed if the old WLAV tower is lighted? If not, it may be because the bell tower is actually taller. Has anyone thought of putting a translator antenna in a bell tower? I think I've read that some cell antennas are so mounted.


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Re: WLAV Tower Relocation

Post by MWmetalhead » Mon Jul 29, 2019 4:47 pm

It appears WLAV is now (finally - many months behind schedule) using the WGVU-TV site in Ottawa County.

A Buzzboard reader indicates a much improved signal along US 31 in Ottawa and Muskegon Counties. Signal remained "very good" into far southern Oceana County.

Signal was in & out (identifiable but not listenable) in South Haven and Hart.

It is unclear if WLAV is using its CP pattern, its STA pattern, or none of the above.

The northern extent of the listenable signal makes it to about Shelby. Southern extent makes it to about Ganges (south of Douglas).


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