Biden commutes sentences of 37 federal death row inmates

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Honeyman wrote: Mon Dec 23, 2024 7:37 pm
Matt wrote: Mon Dec 23, 2024 7:30 pm It boggles my mind that people think this is a good thing for the country.
I still have problems dealing with it. Probably always will. But the majority of the country voted for it, so I'll respect the decision, sit back and watch. The fact that he has to actually do something now is the rub. Like the dog who chased the car and caught it. What now?

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Re: Biden commutes sentences of 37 federal death row inmates

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Matt wrote: Mon Dec 23, 2024 8:01 pm
Honeyman wrote: Mon Dec 23, 2024 7:37 pm
Matt wrote: Mon Dec 23, 2024 7:30 pm It boggles my mind that people think this is a good thing for the country.
I still have problems dealing with it. Probably always will. But the majority of the country voted for it, so I'll respect the decision, sit back and watch. The fact that he has to actually do something now is the rub. Like the dog who chased the car and caught it. What now?

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Does this mean that old Joe IS more pro life than the folks that want the ultimate penalty?

Remember when Sgt. Joe Friday would tell the perp to give up or he would get the gas chamber?
I guess that deterrent don't work no more.
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GrahamWellington wrote: Mon Dec 23, 2024 2:21 pm Joe Biden saw fit to commute the death sentence of 37 death row inmates, including this Michigan case:

https://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids ... lling.html

According to Biden, "the federal government should end the use of the death penalty “except in cases of terrorism and hate-motivated mass murder”. Apparently, raping his victim and then deciding to kill her just ahead of her testifying in the case by restraining her with tape, handcuffs, and chains attached to a cinder block and throwing her into a lake to drown didn't rise to that level. Or the fact he almost certainly murdered her 11 month old daughter. And most likely murdered three other people who were witnesses to the case.

I hope this guy gets cancer and dies a long, slow, agonizing death.
This poster supports letting these people off the hook early by killing them at which point they won’t feel bad, regret their actions or any other emotion related negatively to their crime. They won’t have to spend 60 years behind a cell wall or whatever…. They thank you kindly for sparing them that indignity by getting it over with.

Supporters of the death penalty are automatically morons.

Death is an easier sentence than rotting there for as long as possible. What it SHOULD be is as much agony as possible on as little food and water as possible while everything medically possible is done to keep them in that state for as long as possible. And you want a wimpy lethal injection. What a cowards way out. If you’re going all in on the idea of them dying then go all in on it.
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Rate This wrote: Mon Dec 23, 2024 10:25 pm
GrahamWellington wrote: Mon Dec 23, 2024 2:21 pm Joe Biden saw fit to commute the death sentence of 37 death row inmates, including this Michigan case:

https://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids ... lling.html

According to Biden, "the federal government should end the use of the death penalty “except in cases of terrorism and hate-motivated mass murder”. Apparently, raping his victim and then deciding to kill her just ahead of her testifying in the case by restraining her with tape, handcuffs, and chains attached to a cinder block and throwing her into a lake to drown didn't rise to that level. Or the fact he almost certainly murdered her 11 month old daughter. And most likely murdered three other people who were witnesses to the case.

I hope this guy gets cancer and dies a long, slow, agonizing death.
This poster supports letting these people off the hook early by killing them at which point they won’t feel bad, regret their actions or any other emotion related negatively to their crime. They won’t have to spend 60 years behind a cell wall or whatever…. They thank you kindly for sparing them that indignity by getting it over with.

Supporters of the death penalty are automatically morons.

Death is an easier sentence than rotting there for as long as possible. What it SHOULD be is as much agony as possible on as little food and water as possible while everything medically possible is done to keep them in that state for as long as possible. And you want a wimpy lethal injection. What a cowards way out. If you’re going all in on the idea of them dying then go all in on it.
I'm not above prison guards taunting them relentlessly and "accidentally" leaving a rope in the cells.
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Honeyman wrote: Mon Dec 23, 2024 6:13 pm
Turkeytop wrote: Mon Dec 23, 2024 6:01 pm
Honeyman wrote: Mon Dec 23, 2024 4:55 pm But he didn't commute the sentences of the Boston Marathon blast, the Pittsburgh Synagoge killer, or that kid assassin in the black church. Why not? If he believes the death penalty is wrong, he should at least be consistent. He's an old hypocrite fraud who should just go back to Deleware and die.
I believe he said acts of terrorism and hate motivated mass murders should be exceptions.
Because they are less heinous than what the pile of human garbage Graham cited did? Or is it politically based? Fuck this senile hypocrite.
I was thinking too it was inconsistent. I'm no fan of capital punishment, but this is worse than doing nothing.
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I'm not too upset by the decision itself; the recipients of the commutations will still serve life imprisonment with no chance of parole.

The high profile mass murderers were not given commutations.

What *does* bother me is the timing. Why announce this right before Christmas?
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Honeyman wrote: Mon Dec 23, 2024 6:13 pm
Turkeytop wrote: Mon Dec 23, 2024 6:01 pm
Honeyman wrote: Mon Dec 23, 2024 4:55 pm But he didn't commute the sentences of the Boston Marathon blast, the Pittsburgh Synagoge killer, or that kid assassin in the black church. Why not? If he believes the death penalty is wrong, he should at least be consistent. He's an old hypocrite fraud who should just go back to Deleware and die.
I believe he said acts of terrorism and hate motivated mass murders should be exceptions.
Because they are less heinous than what the pile of human garbage Graham cited did? Or is it politically based? Fuck this senile hypocrite.
Political based, 100%. Done to appease the ACLU faction, while at the same time keeping the perpetrators of the most politically sensitive cases on Death Row. Is he against the death penalty, or isn't he?
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GrahamWellington wrote: Tue Dec 24, 2024 10:31 am
Honeyman wrote: Mon Dec 23, 2024 6:13 pm
Turkeytop wrote: Mon Dec 23, 2024 6:01 pm
Honeyman wrote: Mon Dec 23, 2024 4:55 pm But he didn't commute the sentences of the Boston Marathon blast, the Pittsburgh Synagoge killer, or that kid assassin in the black church. Why not? If he believes the death penalty is wrong, he should at least be consistent. He's an old hypocrite fraud who should just go back to Deleware and die.
I believe he said acts of terrorism and hate motivated mass murders should be exceptions.
Because they are less heinous than what the pile of human garbage Graham cited did? Or is it politically based? Fuck this senile hypocrite.
Political based, 100%. Done to appease the ACLU faction, while at the same time keeping the perpetrators of the most politically sensitive cases on Death Row. Is he against the death penalty, or isn't he?
I’m certainly against it fully for the reasons I outlined above so the exceptions here don’t work for me. It could be that he’s really against it 100% and they were too afraid to go that far… because commuting the death sentence of the Boston Marathon bomber would be met with… controversy let’s say.

Of course the Republicans are so far the other way on this and would love to increase it that word is the inauguration is being moved to the prison Tsarnaev is at and Trump will take the oath with one hand on the Bible and a dose of lethal injection in the other and show he’s getting things done right damn NOW at 1201. Then I hear the rest of the prisoners will break out in song like at the end of the Blues Brothers to celebrate the moment.
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Rate This wrote: Mon Dec 23, 2024 10:25 pmSupporters of the death penalty are automatically morons.
This checks out: https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2 ... y-00195994
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tapeisrolling wrote: Mon Dec 23, 2024 9:26 pm Does this mean that old Joe IS more pro life than the folks that want the ultimate penalty?

Remember when Sgt. Joe Friday would tell the perp to give up or he would get the gas chamber?
I guess that deterrent don't work no more.
I remember when Sgt. Joe Friday said you'd be a crazed killer sex fiend if your smoked a joint, so there that...
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Nightfly 2.0 wrote: Tue Dec 24, 2024 6:11 pm

I remember when Sgt. Joe Friday said you'd be a crazed killer sex fiend if your smoked a joint, so there that...
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Rate This wrote: Tue Dec 24, 2024 10:35 am
GrahamWellington wrote: Tue Dec 24, 2024 10:31 am
Honeyman wrote: Mon Dec 23, 2024 6:13 pm
Turkeytop wrote: Mon Dec 23, 2024 6:01 pm
Honeyman wrote: Mon Dec 23, 2024 4:55 pm But he didn't commute the sentences of the Boston Marathon blast, the Pittsburgh Synagoge killer, or that kid assassin in the black church. Why not? If he believes the death penalty is wrong, he should at least be consistent. He's an old hypocrite fraud who should just go back to Deleware and die.
I believe he said acts of terrorism and hate motivated mass murders should be exceptions.
Because they are less heinous than what the pile of human garbage Graham cited did? Or is it politically based? Fuck this senile hypocrite.
Political based, 100%. Done to appease the ACLU faction, while at the same time keeping the perpetrators of the most politically sensitive cases on Death Row. Is he against the death penalty, or isn't he?
… because commuting the death sentence of the Boston Marathon bomber would be met with… controversy let’s say.
Oh, for sure it would be controversial if he would have commuted the Boston Bomber, or the others still on death row. But again, is he truly against the death penalty? If so, and he truly feels that strongly about it, why not commute them to life in prison like the rest? I'm certain his decision was extremely controversial for the family, friends, and communities affected by the other 37 inmates. It's a middle finger to those people, telling them their loss wasn't as serious as the others. These guys weren't on death row for no reason. If he was worried about the controversy and excluded them because of it, then it was a politically motivated decision.
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GrahamWellington wrote: Wed Dec 25, 2024 11:49 am
Rate This wrote: Tue Dec 24, 2024 10:35 am
GrahamWellington wrote: Tue Dec 24, 2024 10:31 am
Honeyman wrote: Mon Dec 23, 2024 6:13 pm
Turkeytop wrote: Mon Dec 23, 2024 6:01 pm
Honeyman wrote: Mon Dec 23, 2024 4:55 pm But he didn't commute the sentences of the Boston Marathon blast, the Pittsburgh Synagoge killer, or that kid assassin in the black church. Why not? If he believes the death penalty is wrong, he should at least be consistent. He's an old hypocrite fraud who should just go back to Deleware and die.
I believe he said acts of terrorism and hate motivated mass murders should be exceptions.
Because they are less heinous than what the pile of human garbage Graham cited did? Or is it politically based? Fuck this senile hypocrite.
Political based, 100%. Done to appease the ACLU faction, while at the same time keeping the perpetrators of the most politically sensitive cases on Death Row. Is he against the death penalty, or isn't he?
… because commuting the death sentence of the Boston Marathon bomber would be met with… controversy let’s say.
Oh, for sure it would be controversial if he would have commuted the Boston Bomber, or the others still on death row. But again, is he truly against the death penalty? If so, and he truly feels that strongly about it, why not commute them to life in prison like the rest? I'm certain his decision was extremely controversial for the family, friends, and communities affected by the other 37 inmates. It's a middle finger to those people, telling them their loss wasn't as serious as the others. These guys weren't on death row for no reason. If he was worried about the controversy and excluded them because of it, then it was a politically motivated decision.
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Rate This wrote: Wed Dec 25, 2024 12:34 pm
GrahamWellington wrote: Wed Dec 25, 2024 11:49 am
Rate This wrote: Tue Dec 24, 2024 10:35 am
GrahamWellington wrote: Tue Dec 24, 2024 10:31 am
Honeyman wrote: Mon Dec 23, 2024 6:13 pm
Turkeytop wrote: Mon Dec 23, 2024 6:01 pm
Honeyman wrote: Mon Dec 23, 2024 4:55 pm But he didn't commute the sentences of the Boston Marathon blast, the Pittsburgh Synagoge killer, or that kid assassin in the black church. Why not? If he believes the death penalty is wrong, he should at least be consistent. He's an old hypocrite fraud who should just go back to Deleware and die.
I believe he said acts of terrorism and hate motivated mass murders should be exceptions.
Because they are less heinous than what the pile of human garbage Graham cited did? Or is it politically based? Fuck this senile hypocrite.
Political based, 100%. Done to appease the ACLU faction, while at the same time keeping the perpetrators of the most politically sensitive cases on Death Row. Is he against the death penalty, or isn't he?
… because commuting the death sentence of the Boston Marathon bomber would be met with… controversy let’s say.
Oh, for sure it would be controversial if he would have commuted the Boston Bomber, or the others still on death row. But again, is he truly against the death penalty? If so, and he truly feels that strongly about it, why not commute them to life in prison like the rest? I'm certain his decision was extremely controversial for the family, friends, and communities affected by the other 37 inmates. It's a middle finger to those people, telling them their loss wasn't as serious as the others. These guys weren't on death row for no reason. If he was worried about the controversy and excluded them because of it, then it was a politically motivated decision.
When they walk into your house… on the wall in front of them must be a sign that says “how many dead horses have you beat today?”.
So confirmed the commutations were political and not based on sincerely held convictions. Thank you.
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