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Stand up guy Just bought more than 200 radio stations.

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tvbobn wrote: Thu Oct 31, 2024 7:04 pm
TC Talks wrote: Thu Oct 31, 2024 3:06 pm Are there any radio shows to balance the crazy stuff being offered by the radical conservative talkers? No?

Look at the owners of Fox with their political agenda. No difference.

It's his money, cry about it if you must, I'll be celebrating.
TC, with your left-wing point of view, wouldn't be happier if they did away with "freedom of speech"?
Restore the fairness doctrine and I'll be fine. In a lawsuit brought by Dominion, Fox claimed they are Entertainment yet they present themselves as news. Show me one fair news piece about a Democrat candidate. One.
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TC Talks wrote: Thu Oct 31, 2024 3:06 pm Are there any radio shows to balance the crazy stuff being offered by the radical conservative talkers? No?

Look at the owners of Fox with their political agenda. No difference.

It's his money, cry about it if you must, I'll be celebrating.
You are radical left. At least admit your bias.
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Autoblemike wrote: Fri Nov 01, 2024 10:54 am
TC Talks wrote: Thu Oct 31, 2024 3:06 pm Are there any radio shows to balance the crazy stuff being offered by the radical conservative talkers? No?

Look at the owners of Fox with their political agenda. No difference.

It's his money, cry about it if you must, I'll be celebrating.
You are radical left. At least admit your bias.
Radical left, that's great. We're going to brainwash your stupid and desperate to think like us...
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TC Talks wrote: Fri Nov 01, 2024 11:06 am
Autoblemike wrote: Fri Nov 01, 2024 10:54 am
TC Talks wrote: Thu Oct 31, 2024 3:06 pm Are there any radio shows to balance the crazy stuff being offered by the radical conservative talkers? No?

Look at the owners of Fox with their political agenda. No difference.

It's his money, cry about it if you must, I'll be celebrating.
You are radical left. At least admit your bias.
Radical left, that's great. We're going to brainwash your stupid and desperate to think like us...
You seem to think you are so much better and smarter than some of us. Hey pal, you're not!

You don't even seem to see that you're a radical leftist and only think the liberal agenda is the way to go. Again pal, it's not!

Talk about brainwashed, you are a perfect example.

Letting over 25% foreign ownership of any United States broadcast station is wrong in so many ways. That law has been on the books for many years. Just because he's far left radical liberal, you seem to think that it's great.

You mentioned not having a liberal points of view on radio (I guess you don't count PBS radio?) Liberal radio has been tried several times, once with a entire network. Nobody listened to it! You see in commercial radio, you have to have listeners then have sponsors that are willing to pay for advertising. No sponsors, no money. It failed because no one but people like you were listening to the liberal crap that was being broadcast on the radio. Sorry, but that's just the fact of why liberal radio doesn't work.

Now you do seem to dislike FOX. That's television you know. I asked you, in my post above about television, but you seemed to skip right over it. Since you're so worried about FOX television and your feeling that they have an ultra-right agenda. How about answering my question now?

You mentioned Fox, but what are your thoughts about MSNBC, NBC, ABC, CBS, and of course PBS? Do you consider them radical ultra-liberal networks?
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There is no such thing as PBS radio. Do you mean NPR?
It failed because no one but people like you were listening to the liberal crap that was being broadcast on the radio. Sorry, but that's just the fact of why liberal radio doesn't work.
Air America programming was targeted to a demographic that doesn't tune into crackly obscure AM stations. The distribution method was a poor choice. That doomed the whole business model.

The intended audience was largely already listening to NPR, which by the way earns good to even great ratings in A25 to 54 in many markets (but certainly not everywhere).
Letting over 25% foreign ownership of any United States broadcast station is wrong in so many ways.
Name the ways please.
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tvbobn wrote: Fri Nov 01, 2024 6:50 pm You mentioned Fox, but what are your thoughts about MSNBC, NBC, ABC, CBS, and of course PBS? Do you consider them radical ultra-liberal networks?
Didn't mean to Russell your Jimmes...
I have an undergrad and graduate degree in journalism, so it's likely I'm "Better than you" on this topic. You're another whacky engineer with weird ideas on the world like Ben Zonia and Audiophile. I would lend to your expertise on LPTV.

I would agree with this chart as far as factual data on bias and news reporting. Radio talk is very conservative opinion. It's tabloid trash and I hope our hero throws it off his stations...
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MWmetalhead wrote: Fri Nov 01, 2024 7:24 pm There is no such thing as PBS radio. Do you mean NPR?
It failed because no one but people like you were listening to the liberal crap that was being broadcast on the radio. Sorry, but that's just the fact of why liberal radio doesn't work.
Air America programming was targeted to a demographic that doesn't tune into crackly obscure AM stations. The distribution method was a poor choice. That doomed the whole business model.

The intended audience was largely already listening to NPR, which by the way earns good to even great ratings in A25 to 54 in many markets (but certainly not everywhere).
Letting over 25% foreign ownership of any United States broadcast station is wrong in so many ways.
Name the ways please.
Air America failed because no one was listening to it. That is why it failed. MW, it's your opinion that the "targeted to a demographic that doesn't tune into crackly obscure AM stations." So if you are correct in your opinion, the people who started AA should have realised that it was doomed from the start. I don't remember them saying anything about "crackly obscure AM stations" being the cause of the failure. I do remember people said the cause was the content of the programing.

Name the ways that letting George Sorros or his companies buy a group of stations is wrong.

47 U.S. Code § 310 - License ownership RESTRICTIONS

(a) Grant to or holding by foreign government or representative
The station license required under this chapter shall not be granted to or held by any foreign government or the representative thereof.
(b) Grant to or holding by alien or representative, foreign corporation, etc.No broadcast or common carrier or aeronautical en route or aeronautical fixed radio station license shall be granted to or held by—
(1) any alien or the representative of any alien;
(2) any corporation organized under the laws of any foreign government;
(3) any corporation of which more than one-fifth of the capital stock is owned of record or voted by aliens or their representatives or by a foreign government or representative thereof or by any corporation organized under the laws of a foreign country;
(4) any corporation directly or indirectly controlled by any other corporation of which more than one-fourth of the capital stock is owned of record or voted by aliens, their representatives, or by a foreign government or representative thereof, or by any corporation organized under the laws of a foreign country, if the Commission finds that the public interest will be served by the refusal or revocation of such license.
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Yes, my opinion is AA's distribution model was a poor one, doomed the network from the start, and indeed their ownership should've saw that coming. Was it the *only* issue with the company? Certainly not. This article does a pretty good job explaining the litany of issues that existed:

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2009/03 ... H5QNmsI4bU

In terms of Soros' hedge fund's proposed >25% ownership in Audacy "being wrong in so many ways," I assumed you meant ethically or morally wrong. Of the federal register section you cited, I believe (b)(4) is the one & only criterion in play in this specific situation.

I duly note that particular rule is written in a way that gives the FCC discretion to either allow or deny greater than 25 percent foreign ownership.

My understanding is Audacy's plan of reorganization was written in a way that limits Soros-controlled entity common shares in Audacy to 25 percent until such time the FCC decides on the 25 percent cap question as it relates to Audacy.

Rupert Murdoch directly or indirectly owns 39.6 percent of the voting shares of FOX Corporation, which in turn wholly owns the FOX Television Stations group (which owns numerous broadcast TV stations). Murdoch, like Soros, is a naturalized American citizen born outside of the USA.

https://www.csmonitor.com/1995/0728/28014.html

The FCC permitted 100 percent Canadian ownership of a radio station in the Seattle area:

https://www.broadcastlawblog.com/2024/0 ... -industry/
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tvbobn wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 2:08 pm Name the ways that letting George Sorros or his companies buy a group of stations is wrong.
Soros is naturalized just like Murdock and your ancestors. I think he should let illegal immigrants run the stations for him.
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Like Soros is gonna demand moving away from Boston and Eagles.
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Mega Hertz wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 7:55 pm Like Soros is gonna demand moving away from Boston and Eagles.
Monthly REO Speedwagon marathons
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tvbobn wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 2:08 pm
MWmetalhead wrote: Fri Nov 01, 2024 7:24 pm There is no such thing as PBS radio. Do you mean NPR?
It failed because no one but people like you were listening to the liberal crap that was being broadcast on the radio. Sorry, but that's just the fact of why liberal radio doesn't work.
Air America programming was targeted to a demographic that doesn't tune into crackly obscure AM stations. The distribution method was a poor choice. That doomed the whole business model.

The intended audience was largely already listening to NPR, which by the way earns good to even great ratings in A25 to 54 in many markets (but certainly not everywhere).
Letting over 25% foreign ownership of any United States broadcast station is wrong in so many ways.
Name the ways please.
Air America failed because no one was listening to it. That is why it failed. MW, it's your opinion that the "targeted to a demographic that doesn't tune into crackly obscure AM stations." So if you are correct in your opinion, the people who started AA should have realised that it was doomed from the start. I don't remember them saying anything about "crackly obscure AM stations" being the cause of the failure. I do remember people said the cause was the content of the programing.

Name the ways that letting George Sorros or his companies buy a group of stations is wrong.

47 U.S. Code § 310 - License ownership RESTRICTIONS

(a) Grant to or holding by foreign government or representative
The station license required under this chapter shall not be granted to or held by any foreign government or the representative thereof.
(b) Grant to or holding by alien or representative, foreign corporation, etc.No broadcast or common carrier or aeronautical en route or aeronautical fixed radio station license shall be granted to or held by—
(1) any alien or the representative of any alien;
(2) any corporation organized under the laws of any foreign government;
(3) any corporation of which more than one-fifth of the capital stock is owned of record or voted by aliens or their representatives or by a foreign government or representative thereof or by any corporation organized under the laws of a foreign country;
(4) any corporation directly or indirectly controlled by any other corporation of which more than one-fourth of the capital stock is owned of record or voted by aliens, their representatives, or by a foreign government or representative thereof, or by any corporation organized under the laws of a foreign country, if the Commission finds that the public interest will be served by the refusal or revocation of such license.
Look, I understand that it is legal for Soros to buy stations... My point is that I feel like media outlets should be run by local people, local companies, and not foreign actors. Back when I was in radio in 2 decades ago working at clear channel, the sentiment literally everyone was that radio was better in the good ol' days. There is a sizeable shift people actually supporting it now, which is interesting.
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TC Talks wrote: Fri Nov 01, 2024 8:01 pm
tvbobn wrote: Fri Nov 01, 2024 6:50 pm You mentioned Fox, but what are your thoughts about MSNBC, NBC, ABC, CBS, and of course PBS? Do you consider them radical ultra-liberal networks?
Didn't mean to Russell your Jimmes...
I have an undergrad and graduate degree in journalism, so it's likely I'm "Better than you" on this topic. You're another whacky engineer with weird ideas on the world like Ben Zonia and Audiophile. I would lend to your expertise on LPTV.

I would agree with this chart as far as factual data on bias and news reporting. Radio talk is very conservative opinion. It's tabloid trash and I hope our hero throws it off his stations...
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Wow, you are stuck in a sort of intellectual entrenchment. If you are always thinking you are 100% correct, it means you have serious pride issue. There are great points on both sides. For example, metalhead posting the FCC guidelines was actually good discussion, your arrogance just stinks up the thread.

On the note of journalism... anyone know how many people watched traditional media last night vs. independent media? It's good you are a journalist, it will be nice addition to your resume when you are applying for jobs at car lots.
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Autoblemike wrote: Wed Nov 06, 2024 9:00 amWow, you are stuck in a sort of intellectual entrenchment. If you are always thinking you are 100% correct, it means you have serious pride issue. There are great points on both sides.
Oh good, a personality assessment from a radio guy. Let's see what influence Soros has on the content. I am hoping for big changes.

Tell me, are you happy with commercial radio these days? Asking as a 42 year veteran of the industry.
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TC Talks wrote: Wed Nov 06, 2024 9:52 am
Autoblemike wrote: Wed Nov 06, 2024 9:00 amWow, you are stuck in a sort of intellectual entrenchment. If you are always thinking you are 100% correct, it means you have serious pride issue. There are great points on both sides.
Oh good, a personality assessment from a radio guy. Let's see what influence Soros has on the content. I am hoping for big changes.

Tell me, are you happy with commercial radio these days? Asking as a 42 year veteran of the industry.
I know you are impressed by my credentials, but no need to inflate my ego on this one TC...
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