Devastating January 6 details back in focus: are Trump supporters too dumb to care?

[Matt]

https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/04/politics ... index.html

“The most conservative of conservative values is fidelity to our Constitution,” Cheney said in Ripon, Wisconsin. “As we meet here today, our republic faces a threat unlike any we have faced before.” She added: “In this election, putting patriotism ahead of partisanship is not an aspiration – it is our duty.

“What January 6 shows us is that there is not an ounce, not an ounce of compassion in Donald Trump. He is petty, he is vindictive, and he is cruel, and Donald Trump is not fit to lead this good and great nation.”

It was a remarkable scene, which was only made possible by the political earthquake unleashed by Trump’s conduct four years ago. A sign of how much things have changed in American politics: Cheney’s father, former vice president Dick Cheney — who was reviled by Democrats, especially over the Iraq War — has also endorsed Harris. His daughter declared: “I have never voted for a Democrat, but this year I am proudly casting my vote for Vice President Kamala Harris.”

The former Wyoming congresswoman lost her leadership position in the House GOP and eventually her seat in a landslide to a primary challenger, after standing up to Trump’s attempt to defy the will of voters in 2020. And while she was still in the House, she helped lead a bipartisan special committee that recommended criminal charges for the twice-impeached ex-president over the January 6, 2021, riot. In Wisconsin, a state that could be decided by narrow margins next month, Cheney could have a big impact if she’s able to move even a few hundred votes.

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New focus on Trump’s refusal to accept the result of the last election and the January 6 attack on the Capitol might seem like a political disaster for the ex-president. But it’s a mark of Trump’s success in rewriting history that this is not necessarily an election-defining issue.

When Trump left Washington in January 2021, without attending Joe Biden’s inauguration and with the city divided by iron security fences, it would have been absurd to think that he could have a strong chance of returning to power in a non-consecutive second term.

His prospects next month show that while he horrifies many Americans, his conduct after the last election is not seen as disqualifying by millions of others. Trump has countered claims by opponents that he represents a grave peril to the Constitution by arguing that Biden and Harris are the real threat and has blamed their rhetoric for two assassination attempts against him. “I probably took a bullet to the head because of the things that they say about me,” Trump said at his debate with Harris last month. “They talk about democracy. I’m a threat to democracy. They’re the threat to democracy.”

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The possibility of a Trump return to power is especially ominous for many Americans because he has vowed to wage a second term of “retribution” and is threatening to jail his political opponents.

Yet Trump’s strongman instincts are exactly what makes him attractive to many Republican voters whom he has convinced the Biden administration has weaponized justice against him. There is no evidence to support Trump’s claims, even if some of the prosecutors in several of his criminal and civil cases, notably in Georgia and New York, were political figures who previously criticized the former president. Still, all of Trump’s criminal charges emerged from grand juries or genuine legal processes. And he was judged by a jury of his peers, like any other citizen, when convicted in a Manhattan trial arising from a hush money payment to an adult film actress.

As well as the federal election case, the ex-president is facing a similar one in Georgia based on racketeering statutes. A Trump-appointed judge threw out another Smith prosecution — over Trump’s handling of classified documents at his Florida club — although the special counsel is appealing her decision.

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While Smith must still convince a jury that Trump broke the law, the historic facts are not in dispute.

The former president refused to accept the result of the 2020 election that he lost. His cases alleging fraud — often lacking evidence — were thrown out by multiple judges and even by the Supreme Court. He called a crowd to Washington and incited his supporters, who smashed their way into the Capitol and beat up police officers. The former president has hailed those who tried to block the electoral certification as heroes and has pledged to pardon them if he returns to power. His actions did not just represent a threat to the sacred American principle of peaceful transfers of power between presidents. They shattered trust among millions of Americans in the legal and electoral system.

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But if Trump wins, future historians may wonder why a former president who tried to burn down democracy to stay in power was able to use the same system to regain the White House.

[Honeyman]

In answer to the question in your post title......yes.

[zzand]

Oh hell yeah.

[bmw]

So we have hurricane devastation over several states, Iran launching hundreds of missiles into Israel, a multi-year war between Ukraine and Russia, and a Commander-in-Chief who doesn't know what day of the week it is, and your obsession remains over something that happened 4 years ago?

THIS is why your side is going to lose the election.

I mean, you do realize that NC and GA are now wrapped up for Trump because of the Biden admin's piss-poor response to Helene, don't you? And I'm the one who is not self-aware?

[Honeyman]

So we have hurricane devastation over several states, Iran launching hundreds of missiles into Israel, a multi-year war between Ukraine and Russia, and a Commander-in-Chief who doesn't know what day of the week it is, and your obsession remains over something that happened 4 years ago?

THIS is why your side is going to lose the election.

I mean, you do realize that NC and GA are now wrapped up for Trump because of the Biden admin's piss-poor response to Helene, don't you? And I'm the one who is not self-aware?

He tried to overthrow the results of an election. The fact that it means zero to you only proves why you are a cult member.

[Matt]

So we have hurricane devastation over several states, Iran launching hundreds of missiles into Israel, a multi-year war between Ukraine and Russia, and a Commander-in-Chief who doesn't know what day of the week it is, and your obsession remains over something that happened 4 years ago?

THIS is why your side is going to lose the election.

I mean, you do realize that NC and GA are now wrapped up for Trump because of the Biden admin's piss-poor response to Helene, don't you? And I'm the one who is not self-aware?

You're comparing a natural disaster to a manmade plot to overthrow our government. You're either A) blind, B) a complete partisan hack, C) a fucking moron, or D) all of the above. As HM said above, the cult identity is strong with you.

[bmw]

How about you go visit the affected areas of Georgia or North Carolina and tell them that 2020 is more important than what those people are going through right now. Or tell that to the people of Israel. Let me know their response.

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How about you go visit the affected areas of Georgia or North Carolina and tell them that 2020 is more important than what those people are going through right now. Or tell that to the people of Israel. Let me know their response.

Your guy talks daily about LOSING THE ELECTION OF 4 YEARS AGO and claiming it was stolen. He is absolutely consumed by it. Is that what people want to hear? The capital was ATTACKED by supporters of this guy. This guy is running again. It’s relevant. Whether he thinks he won it or not absolutely matters only to his fragile ego.

Both Biden and Harris have been coordinating a response to the hurricane and doing it in the right way. By staying out of the way. Officials down there have praised their response. Harris even suspended campaigning for a few days while Trump went and did a photo op in the disaster zone which isn’t really helpful.

But we can walk and chew gum at the same time. Trump goes on and on about crowd sizes which I’m sure the folks down there are really focused on right now. Every friggin speech now.

And stop being so god damn confident he’s gonna win. It’s as sad as you telling me there would be a red wave and a bottle of booze coming to my door. You were telling me I was out of my mind telling you the underlying evidence didn’t show that. It doesn’t show it now either.

[TC Talks]

How about you go visit the affected areas of Georgia or North Carolina and tell them that 2020 is more important than what those people are going through right now. Or tell that to the people of Israel. Let me know their response.

Nature verses Actions of an Asshole. Makes complete sense to compare them. Thank you for supporting Matt's premise.

[Turkeytop]

So we have hurricane devastation over several states, Iran launching hundreds of missiles into Israel, a multi-year war between Ukraine and Russia, and a Commander-in-Chief who doesn't know what day of the week it is, and your obsession remains over something that happened 4 years ago?

THIS is why your side is going to lose the election.

I mean, you do realize that NC and GA are now wrapped up for Trump because of the Biden admin's piss-poor response to Helene, don't you? And I'm the one who is not self-aware?

Right. If Biden was half as Presidential as Trump, he'd be down there now tossing rolls of paper towels and MAGA hats to those victims of climate change.

[TC Talks]

How about you go visit the affected areas of Georgia or North Carolina and tell them that 2020 is more important than what those people are going through right now. Or tell that to the people of Israel. Let me know their response.

Biden should follow Trump's suggestion and send Trump to prison now for his felony conviction. That's the Trump way...

Also, major willful crimes against democracy should be pursued with everything resource available.

[Matt]

Magic 8 ball says....

YES!

So I'm just imagining that he was President from 2017 to 2021 and that neither the world nor the country fell apart?

Now report on he reacted to his loss.

Let me say this once and for all.

I. DON'T. CARE.

I don't LIKE how he's reacted to it, but at the end of the day, I DON'T CARE.

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Magic 8 ball says....

YES!

So I'm just imagining that he was President from 2017 to 2021 and that neither the world nor the country fell apart?

Now report on he reacted to his loss.

Let me say this once and for all.

I. DON'T. CARE.

I don't LIKE how he's reacted to it, but at the end of the day, I DON'T CARE.

His cult leader sure does care though.

[Lester The Nightfly]

oooh... oooh... I too suddenly have a need to get woke about the good people of Georgia and North Carolina's whose plight I previously didn't give one shit about up until a 1/6 discussion moved me. Count me in !!!!

[HD74]

E): I'm not who I claim to be.
Thanks Ivan, let's see, the last election you went to 3 shifts. Each "Information Officer" had different talking points.
Neat to claim you were almost hit by a wing tank, stupid U.S. military.
Folks, do your own research.