Masks don't work.

[bmw]

We now have 9 full months of data. Real word data. Based on observations. Do masks slow the spread of Coronavirus?

Observed mask usage?
Sweden - 1 in 25 people
United States - 3 in 4 people

Daily infection rate? Rates were comparable early on. During the summer months, Sweden's rate fell to next to nothing. During this winter's second wave, Sweden's daily infection rate per capita remains about 40 percent lower than ours and is projected to remain lower than ours, even with projected mask usage remaining the same.

And this data doesn't even account for reduced social distancing in Sweden due to more businesses being open (in particular, bars and restaurants).



Bottom line - lockdowns don't work. Masks don't work. We're destroying certain segments of our economy and giving away our freedoms for NOTHING IN RETURN.

Looking at that data, it looks like summer weather had a FAR LARGER impact on slowing the spread (like, orders of magnitude) than did anything we tried to do artificially to slow it down.

[TC Talks]

Hmmm, amazing but not supported by science. There is no factoring for the impact the virus has on different ethnicities or management of the virus. Neither can be a valid control.

Then, there is behavior AND how Sweden has regulated since deciding that hurd immunity was a mistake.

2019 U.S. Census Bureau Estimates
Self-identified race Percent of population
Non-Hispanic white 60.1%
Hispanic and Latino (of any race) 18.5%
Black or African American 13.4%
Asian 5.9%
Two or more races 2.8%
Native Americans and Alaska Natives. 1.3%
Native Hawaiians and Other Pacific Islanders 0.2%

2019 Swedish Ethnicity
Swedish 93% (White)
Finland (1.45%) (White)
Poland (0.91%)(White)
Syria (1.82%)
Iraq (1.41%)
Iran (0.76%)
Somalia (0.67%)

[bmw]

This is an infection rate chart, not a death chart. I know that the mortality rate is higher among minorities, but I'm not aware of data suggesting that white people are less likely to contract the virus.

As to "regulation," while Sweden has imposed some regulations in recent weeks, they still pale in comparison in scope to the regulations that exist in many parts of the US.

Considering that bars and restaurants remain open in Sweden and that virtually nobody is wearing masks while out in public, you would expect the infection rate to be significantly higher than here, no? I mean, we've been led to believe that mass gatherings at bars and restaurants where people don't adhere to social distancing is basically a breeding ground for the virus to run rampant and out of control. Yet, that doesn't appear to he happening in Sweden.

[screen glare]

Here’s what happens over and over and over again.

Anti-maskers get sick with COVID and even as they die are not convinced the Coronavirus is killing them. Driving the health care professionals attending them to feel like giving up.

After these virus-deniers croak - gasping for oxygen - their families warn everyone to please change their ways and take this pandemic seriously. Some use the dead loved one’s obituary to beg virus-deniers to please wake up and mask up.

I’ll go with that evidence.
As I live in America where ICU beds are scarce.
Not f-ing Sweden.

[MotorCityRadioFreak]

So, before this most recent lock down, Michigan had over 9,000 cases a day. The last 3 days, Michigan had under 9000 cases total. Unless you are Bidet, the math should be easy for this one. Lock downs work and also stop the exponential spread of COVID. Being that mask wearing doesn't change, you have to increase people social distancing. This is the sure fire way to do it. I say keep the lock downs until May. During this time, we can get people vaccinated and enjoy our summer.

[Turkeytop]

9000 a day? Wow. In Ontario, we're locked down again after we got up to 3000 a day.

I hate covid.

[zzand]

The continued mask debate is a waste of time at this point. For every chart that shows they don't work, you can find one that shows they do work. What it all boils down to is personal responsibility. Are you will to use whatever chart you find to back up that they don't work and risk other people's lives? If the answer is yes then don't wear one. It becomes further useless as President Biden will introduce a nationwide mandate when he takes office. Of course there will be states that defy the mandate but thankfully people can and do think for themselves.

[Bryce]

It would appear that lockdowns don't work either.

LONDON (AP) — The UK has registered a record 57,725 daily coronavirus cases.

Government figures show the UK has recorded five straight daily highs — all above 50,000 and nearly double the levels of two weeks ago.

I have two associates that live in the U.K. According to them the lockdown measures they have been under have them feeling like prisoners in their own home. Doesn't seem to be accomplishing much.

[Matt]

I say keep the lock downs until May. During this time, we can get people vaccinated and enjoy our summer.

This is a terrible suggestion. Open back up tomorrow.

[Deleted User 15475]

I say keep the lock downs until May. During this time, we can get people vaccinated and enjoy our summer.

This is a terrible suggestion. Open back up tomorrow.

I've heard being on a respirator is an interesting experience, although I've heard the same of heroine but the temptation doesn't excite me.

[Rate This]

It would appear that lockdowns don't work either.

LONDON (AP) — The UK has registered a record 57,725 daily coronavirus cases.

Government figures show the UK has recorded five straight daily highs — all above 50,000 and nearly double the levels of two weeks ago.

I have two associates that live in the U.K. According to them the lockdown measures they have been under have them feeling like prisoners in their own home. Doesn't seem to be accomplishing much.

Part of the problem is... oh I don’t know... GOING OUTSIDE ANYWAYS...

[Deleted User 14896]

I wonder if Sweden and America may be an apples and oranges comparison.
How close together are folks there? What's the rate in just Wyoming or just Alaska?
I don't know the answer. It's just what I ponder as I read this thread.

[km1125]

I wonder how many sick people got worse and then ended up dying because they were forced (or coerced) into wearing a mask TOO much or TOO often?

It certainly makes sense at some times and in some places, but "too much" can be damaging too. If YOU are infected and are coughing out virus particles that get caught by a mask, where do those end up when you inhale? Quite possible they end up in the remaining uninfected portions of your airways, allowing the virus to spread throughout your system quicker.

[Bryce]

It would appear that lockdowns don't work either.

LONDON (AP) — The UK has registered a record 57,725 daily coronavirus cases.

Government figures show the UK has recorded five straight daily highs — all above 50,000 and nearly double the levels of two weeks ago.

I have two associates that live in the U.K. According to them the lockdown measures they have been under have them feeling like prisoners in their own home. Doesn't seem to be accomplishing much.

Part of the problem is... oh I don’t know... GOING OUTSIDE ANYWAYS...

Right...

Lockdowns don't work

[MotorCityRadioFreak]

I wonder how many sick people got worse and then ended up dying because they were forced (or coerced) into wearing a mask TOO much or TOO often?

It certainly makes sense at some times and in some places, but "too much" can be damaging too. If YOU are infected and are coughing out virus particles that get caught by a mask, where do those end up when you inhale? Quite possible they end up in the remaining uninfected portions of your airways, allowing the virus to spread throughout your system quicker.

Stop it. Just stop. You are embarrassing yourself.