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LouPerry · Unread post by **LouPerry** » Wed Oct 02, 2019 5:29 pm

We dropped again.

TC Talks · Unread post by **TC Talks** » Wed Oct 02, 2019 6:16 pm

Maybe this has something to do with it.

Violent crime dropped in Detroit last year but the city still ranked as the nation's most violent, according to FBI crime data released Monday.

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/ ... 787467002/

F-Squared · Unread post by **F-Squared** » Thu Oct 03, 2019 12:00 am

TC Talks wrote:Maybe this has something to do with it.

Violent crime dropped in Detroit last year but the city still ranked as the nation's most violent, according to FBI crime data released Monday.
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/ ... 787467002/

I don't see how that has anything to do with the Nielsens at all.

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TC Talks · Unread post by **TC Talks** » Thu Oct 03, 2019 9:57 am

Simple: Detroit is crime ridden. Detroit Metro continues to lose population (look at census projections) when every other major city (including Cleveland) is growing. Detroit keeps dropping on the Nielsen market ranking. Does that make it clearer?

craig11152 · Unread post by **craig11152** » Thu Oct 03, 2019 10:30 am

TC Talks wrote: ↑Thu Oct 03, 2019 9:57 am Simple: Detroit is crime ridden. Detroit Metro continues to lose population (look at census projections)

Actually here are the census projections for the Detroit MSA.

2011.................4,291,406
2012................4,300,902
2013................4,305,860
2014...............4,311,699
2015..............4,309,845
2016..............4,316,198
2017..............4,321,704
2018..............4,326,442

Other than that brief relapse between 2014 and 2015 its gone up every year.

TC Talks · Unread post by **TC Talks** » Thu Oct 03, 2019 12:10 pm

I think you are measuring something other than the DMA

Nielsen DMA Rankings 2019 is a highly accurate list of the nation’s markets ranked by population.
13 Seattle-Tacoma 1,854,810
14 Detroit 1,777,240
15 Minneapolis-St. Paul 1,713,310

This chart will help you better understand. Yes, the metro area grew a whopping .06% in 10 years.... Minneapolis will be passing us soon enough...

F-Squared · Unread post by **F-Squared** » Thu Oct 03, 2019 1:08 pm

TC Talks wrote:I think you are measuring something other than the DMA
Nielsen DMA Rankings 2019 is a highly accurate list of the nation’s markets ranked by population.
13 Seattle-Tacoma 1,854,810
14 Detroit 1,777,240
15 Minneapolis-St. Paul 1,713,310
This chart will help you better understand. Yes, the metro area grew a whopping .06% in 10 years.... Minneapolis will be passing us soon enough...

So it's not from loss of population like you initially said?

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craig11152 · Unread post by **craig11152** » Thu Oct 03, 2019 1:13 pm

You are the one who needs to understand. You just contradicted yourself in 2 successive posts.

Detroit Metro continues to lose population (look at census projections)

Yes, the metro area grew a whopping .06% in 10 years

Do I need to help you understand losing population and gaining population at a comparatively slow rate are not the same thing?

fuzzpower · Unread post by **fuzzpower** » Thu Oct 03, 2019 4:14 pm

Cleveland itself is still losing population.

TC Talks · Unread post by **TC Talks** » Thu Oct 03, 2019 6:41 pm

Yes, you are correct the DMA is growing very slighy. Detroit proper isn't. The DMA grow rate is less than the natural growth rate, more people leave than stay.

To the larger point of the discussion, Detroit will continue to decline in market rank.

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