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There is a much easier way than the one you suggest.
Political parties, being private organizations, have the ability to make their own rules. There would be nothing stopping them from changing the rules prior to the first ballot. They could unbind the delegates and allow them to vote in "good faith and conscience" even though T Rump has met the current threshold. The rules committee would have to propose it and It would then take a majority vote of the seated delegates.
T Rump would blow a gasket and most likely sue, but he doesn't stand a chance of winning the suit because national party rules trump (yeah, I said trump) state rules. The Democrats did it back in the 70's and it was upheld by the SCOTUS.
See Cousins v Wigoda
https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/419/477/
Political parties, being private organizations, have the ability to make their own rules. There would be nothing stopping them from changing the rules prior to the first ballot. They could unbind the delegates and allow them to vote in "good faith and conscience" even though T Rump has met the current threshold. The rules committee would have to propose it and It would then take a majority vote of the seated delegates.
T Rump would blow a gasket and most likely sue, but he doesn't stand a chance of winning the suit because national party rules trump (yeah, I said trump) state rules. The Democrats did it back in the 70's and it was upheld by the SCOTUS.
See Cousins v Wigoda
https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/419/477/
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New York and Chicago were all in with respect to their sanctuary status — until they were hit with the challenge of actually providing sanctuary. In other words, typical liberal hypocrisy.
Re: Congratulations GOP
I thought that rule changes can only be made at the end of the convention.
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Re: Congratulations GOP
Nope. Rules committee meets prior to convention.
New York and Chicago were all in with respect to their sanctuary status — until they were hit with the challenge of actually providing sanctuary. In other words, typical liberal hypocrisy.
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Re: Congratulations GOP
I see a lot of chatter about doing whatever it takes to stop Trump...
I'm not sure anything will actually happen other than Trump losing the general.
I'm not sure anything will actually happen other than Trump losing the general.
Ask not what your country can do FOR you; ask what they are about to do TO YOU!!
Re: Congratulations GOP
So what would preventing Trump from being nominated do exactly? You've already lost 2016 and there is little hope for 2020 at this point. Telling all those Trump voters (of which Trump has the most votes of any Republican primary contender in history) to scree off isn't going to win you anything at all. It'll lose you the senate, the Supreme Court and the presidency. The house will be in play. Conservatism just dropped dead.Bryce wrote:Nope. Rules committee meets prior to convention.
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If Hillary wins and the economy tanks, then 2020 might be our finest hour. At least we will have vision.
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Re: Congratulations GOP
Lots of IF's never see the light of day. Given the successful economy the last Clinton had plus the way things are today, how do you imagine the Democrats would do worse than the GOP has done (Bush's wars for example)audiophile wrote:If Hillary wins and the economy tanks, then 2020 might be our finest hour. At least we will have vision.
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Re: Congratulations GOP
If you're all hated and negatively viewed then no way Jose...audiophile wrote:If Hillary wins and the economy tanks, then 2020 might be our finest hour. At least we will have vision.
Re: Congratulations GOP
You don't quite understand math, do you?NS8401 wrote:So what would preventing Trump from being nominated do exactly? You've already lost 2016 and there is little hope for 2020 at this point. Telling all those Trump voters (of which Trump has the most votes of any Republican primary contender in history) to scree off isn't going to win you anything at all. It'll lose you the senate, the Supreme Court and the presidency. The house will be in play. Conservatism just dropped dead.Bryce wrote:Nope. Rules committee meets prior to convention.
NS claim: Clinton won a majority in 1996
Fact: Clinton only won 49.2% of the vote https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_St ... tion,_1996
NS claim: Democrats are the majority party
Facts: Republican governors- 31/50 62%, Republican senators- 54/100 54%, 234/435 54%
Pardon me if I take your proclamation that conservatism is dead with a grain of salt.
Voting for Trump is dumber than playing Russian Roulette with fully loaded chambers.
Re: Congratulations GOP
The house has been gerrymandered that way. The senate will continue to alternate between the Democrats and Republicans every two years for the foreseeable future because Democrats don't vote in midterms like Republicans do. While the GOP is holding state houses (more gerrymandering) and governorships, the country is rapidly trending leftward. More Americans identify as democrats than republicans... You can spin all you want but the future of your party and movement is bleak.Matt wrote:You don't quite understand math, do you?NS8401 wrote:So what would preventing Trump from being nominated do exactly? You've already lost 2016 and there is little hope for 2020 at this point. Telling all those Trump voters (of which Trump has the most votes of any Republican primary contender in history) to scree off isn't going to win you anything at all. It'll lose you the senate, the Supreme Court and the presidency. The house will be in play. Conservatism just dropped dead.Bryce wrote:Nope. Rules committee meets prior to convention.
NS claim: Clinton won a majority in 1996
Fact: Clinton only won 49.2% of the vote https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_St ... tion,_1996
NS claim: Democrats are the majority party
Facts: Republican governors- 31/50 62%, Republican senators- 54/100 54%, 234/435 54%
Pardon me if I take your proclamation that conservatism is dead with a grain of salt.
Re: Congratulations GOP
You guys haven't won a majority in the popular without a novelty candidate in 40 years. While I fully expect Hillary to beat the clown, I think the Obama elections are more of an anomaly than you are acknowledging.NS8401 wrote:The house has been gerrymandered that way. The senate will continue to alternate between the Democrats and Republicans every two years for the foreseeable future because Democrats don't vote in midterms like Republicans do. While the GOP is holding state houses (more gerrymandering) and governorships, the country is rapidly trending leftward. More Americans identify as democrats than republicans... You can spin all you want but the future of your party and movement is bleak.Matt wrote:You don't quite understand math, do you?NS8401 wrote:So what would preventing Trump from being nominated do exactly? You've already lost 2016 and there is little hope for 2020 at this point. Telling all those Trump voters (of which Trump has the most votes of any Republican primary contender in history) to scree off isn't going to win you anything at all. It'll lose you the senate, the Supreme Court and the presidency. The house will be in play. Conservatism just dropped dead.Bryce wrote:Nope. Rules committee meets prior to convention.
NS claim: Clinton won a majority in 1996
Fact: Clinton only won 49.2% of the vote https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_St ... tion,_1996
NS claim: Democrats are the majority party
Facts: Republican governors- 31/50 62%, Republican senators- 54/100 54%, 234/435 54%
Pardon me if I take your proclamation that conservatism is dead with a grain of salt.
Voting for Trump is dumber than playing Russian Roulette with fully loaded chambers.
Re: Congratulations GOP
The US went through a Conservative and religious revival but they are fading away. Obamas wins were NOT anomalies...Matt wrote:You guys haven't won a majority in the popular without a novelty candidate in 40 years. While I fully expect Hillary to beat the clown, I think the Obama elections are more of an anomaly than you are acknowledging.NS8401 wrote:The house has been gerrymandered that way. The senate will continue to alternate between the Democrats and Republicans every two years for the foreseeable future because Democrats don't vote in midterms like Republicans do. While the GOP is holding state houses (more gerrymandering) and governorships, the country is rapidly trending leftward. More Americans identify as democrats than republicans... You can spin all you want but the future of your party and movement is bleak.Matt wrote:You don't quite understand math, do you?NS8401 wrote:So what would preventing Trump from being nominated do exactly? You've already lost 2016 and there is little hope for 2020 at this point. Telling all those Trump voters (of which Trump has the most votes of any Republican primary contender in history) to scree off isn't going to win you anything at all. It'll lose you the senate, the Supreme Court and the presidency. The house will be in play. Conservatism just dropped dead.Bryce wrote:Nope. Rules committee meets prior to convention.
NS claim: Clinton won a majority in 1996
Fact: Clinton only won 49.2% of the vote https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_St ... tion,_1996
NS claim: Democrats are the majority party
Facts: Republican governors- 31/50 62%, Republican senators- 54/100 54%, 234/435 54%
Pardon me if I take your proclamation that conservatism is dead with a grain of salt.
Re: Congratulations GOP
Even in my darkest hour, I'm glad I can be a source of entertainment.TC Talks wrote: thanks for this...
New York and Chicago were all in with respect to their sanctuary status — until they were hit with the challenge of actually providing sanctuary. In other words, typical liberal hypocrisy.
Re: Congratulations GOP
Same guy, same qualifications (or lack thereof), same sordid history, with a lighter pigmentation, would have NEVER been elected.NS8401 wrote: Obamas wins were NOT anomalies...
Anyone that thinks differently is not being honest or delusional.
New York and Chicago were all in with respect to their sanctuary status — until they were hit with the challenge of actually providing sanctuary. In other words, typical liberal hypocrisy.
Re: Congratulations GOP
2008 was a Democrats to lose. 2012 was the same.Bryce wrote:Same guy, same qualifications (or lack thereof), same sordid history, with a lighter pigmentation, would have NEVER been elected.NS8401 wrote: Obamas wins were NOT anomalies...
Anyone that thinks differently is not being honest or delusional.