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Yes, I do Michigan shouldn't have fired Steve Fisher or taken the banners down either. How I feel about it. Lou shouldn't have taken the banner and given the National Championship Trophy back either they should've made NCAA to take them to court to get it back. I'm a bigger MSU fan in basketball than I am of Michigan I'll root for them when they don't play MSU in basketball, I'm a fan undecided when it comes to football I don't lose either way.Honeyman wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2023 10:16 amDo you still count the wins from the Fab Four scandal that were vacated? Even the university took those banners down due to the cheating.MasterB wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2023 1:58 amVacating wins is meaningless I'll count win 1,000 even if the NCAA takes away wins when they were on video and TV can't deny they never happen. Plus the fans have the championship T-shirts & caps and other merch.Graham Wellington wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 7:31 pmCongrats to Michigan on 1000 wins. Just think, they'll get to do it again in a couple years.
I get your point and don't disagree but that whole "Michigan Man" thing is overblown.Rate This wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 12:59 pmIf they shake any coaching trees lets get somebody who vaguely knows the colors are maize and blue... no more Michigan Men (TM).craig11152 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 12:28 pmI might add that if Michigan parted ways with Harbaugh after this season my only hesitation is whether Michigan can shake the old coaching tree and find a juicy replacement.
It has to do with not hiring people with zero connection to the place. Moeller had a ton of connection to Michigan when he got the job. So did Lloyd Carr. Then there was Hoke and now Harbaugh.craig11152 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2023 9:02 amI get your point and don't disagree but that whole "Michigan Man" thing is overblown.Rate This wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 12:59 pmIf they shake any coaching trees lets get somebody who vaguely knows the colors are maize and blue... no more Michigan Men (TM).craig11152 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 12:28 pmI might add that if Michigan parted ways with Harbaugh after this season my only hesitation is whether Michigan can shake the old coaching tree and find a juicy replacement.
When Bo said it in 1989 it was because Bill Frieder announced before the tournament he was going to take the job at ASU but was planning to coach the team through the tournament.
How often does a coach keep coaching his current team after he announces he is leaving for another coaching job at another school?
And after he was gone and Steve fisher (Illinois State grad) was gone they hired 3 straight basketball coaches that were not "Michigan Men". Brian Ellerbe, Tommy Amaker and John Beilein .
And what is a "Michigan Man" anyway?
Gary Moeller played at Ohio State, Lloyd Carr played at Missouri and Northern Michigan. Rich Rod had no Michigan connections at all. Heck, even Bo who uttered the words played at Miami of Ohio.
Rate This wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2023 9:24 am
It has to do with not hiring people with zero connection to the place. Moeller had a ton of connection to Michigan when he got the job. So did Lloyd Carr. Then there was Hoke and now Harbaugh.
Ellerbe, Rich Rod, Amaker and Beilein indeed had no connections. But the football program since Bo has basically become a “you better hire a michigan man!” Show. And if you are connected to Bo somehow you get double points. Rich Rod got run out on a rail before he could even get anything really going and part of that was that he was an outsider and the locals didn’t like him.
Rich Rod didn’t get enough of a chance and was a year away from doing something… Hokes first team was all Rich Rod people. Hire and keep a top tier coach from a completely different conference who has vaguely heard of Michigan and we can say it’s overblown. But I’d be willing to bet the next dozen coaches will be people who have been there before.craig11152 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2023 12:48 pmRate This wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2023 9:24 am
It has to do with not hiring people with zero connection to the place. Moeller had a ton of connection to Michigan when he got the job. So did Lloyd Carr. Then there was Hoke and now Harbaugh.
Ellerbe, Rich Rod, Amaker and Beilein indeed had no connections. But the football program since Bo has basically become a “you better hire a michigan man!” Show. And if you are connected to Bo somehow you get double points. Rich Rod got run out on a rail before he could even get anything really going and part of that was that he was an outsider and the locals didn’t like him.
Rich Rod got run out of town because he was 6-18 in the Big 10 and 15-22 overall.
Brady Hoke got run out just as fast (minus his 11-2 first season.)
They both had 3 mediocre to bad years and they were gone.
Of the names you mentioned I would argue only Brady Hoke made no sense from a resume standpoint. And he was hired by David Brandon, who was not on anybody's list of great AD's.
So I still say the whole Michigan Man thing is overblown.
When he left here he was 24-30 (conference) in the PAC 12 over 8 years at Arizona.Rate This wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2023 1:01 pmRich Rod didn’t get enough of a chance and was a year away from doing something… Hokes first team was all Rich Rod people. Hire and keep a top tier coach from a completely different conference who has vaguely heard of Michigan and we can say it’s overblown. But I’d be willing to bet the next dozen coaches will be people who have been there before.
He couldn't be so terrible that he wouldn't get darn close to where Hoke did. That's more of an educated guess than simple conjecture.craig11152 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2023 1:22 pmWhen he left here he was 24-30 (conference) in the PAC 12 over 8 years at Arizona.Rate This wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2023 1:01 pmRich Rod didn’t get enough of a chance and was a year away from doing something… Hokes first team was all Rich Rod people. Hire and keep a top tier coach from a completely different conference who has vaguely heard of Michigan and we can say it’s overblown. But I’d be willing to bet the next dozen coaches will be people who have been there before.
The notion that he was about to turn it all around is nothing more than conjecture.
Had trouble understanding what Klatt was saying with Harbaughs dick so deep in his mouth
Strong comeback.