What are your thoughts on men beating up women in a sanctioned event?

[Matt]

Since you're all after a pound of my flesh, I'll simply respond to you all the same way as Matt routinely responds to me on various topics:

All BMW cares about is being right, not about what is best for the country.

I admit when I'm wrong in here - I have more than once. But I'm not giving a single one of you hypocrites the satisfaction in this particular instance. I brought up Title IX. Nobody wants to talk about that. All you care about is being right on this one example.

And as far as calling out the media for running with a story that was wrong and then being silent about it - I seem to remember an incident about 10 years ago now known as "Hands up, don't shoot!" Ended up being built on a lie. But that didn't matter, people who were pedaling that lie insisted it was still a valid rallying cry.

Here's my advice: admit you were wrong and apologize.

[zzand]

Ok I read the first post several times to make sure I didn't miss anything. There is nothing about title IX in the post at all. You brought it up later when things went south on the original topic. As Matt said you need to admit you were wrong, apologize and if you want to debate the other topic start a thread on it. Oh and this should have been posted on the sports board or chatterbox.

[bmw]

Apologize for what?

[Rate This]

Apologize for what?

For getting it wrong and calling a woman a man. And then doubling down on it when you were corrected.

Heck the person in question has a middling record against other women and hasn’t “beat them all up” or something… someone who beat her said as much.

[TC Talks]

Whether she was trans or not shouldn't matter. What does matter is that you're a transphobic asshole, Beemer.

You gonna direct the same comment towards Honeyman, who agreed with my initial post?

I don't think biological men should compete against women in athletic events. I'm not apologizing for that position.

You apparently also forgot that I defended you (I think I was the only one doing so in here) against the attacks from Neckbeard regarding you and Discord. I get no thanks for that, but instead called an asshole for my position on men in women's sports. Go put your tin foil hat back on and leave me the hell alone.

I'll agree that you had company with your opinion. Everyone else resisted creating a thread designed to alienate a community of our country.

[MotorCityRadioFreak]

Whether she was trans or not shouldn't matter. What does matter is that you're a transphobic asshole, Beemer.

You gonna direct the same comment towards Honeyman, who agreed with my initial post?

I don't think biological men should compete against women in athletic events. I'm not apologizing for that position.

You apparently also forgot that I defended you (I think I was the only one doing so in here) against the attacks from Neckbeard regarding you and Discord. I get no thanks for that, but instead called an asshole for my position on men in women's sports. Go put your tin foil hat back on and leave me the hell alone.

Fair point regarding Honeyman, and I definitely don’t remember you defending me from Neckbeard, but I appreciate that you did.
But only one person was making leaps that I was some predator, which was totally absurd.

I still don’t think you and most people in this thread(other than TCT, treetopz, FakeAndy and maybe RT) understand the effect of female hormones on trans women and those trans non binary. And they hold a hell of a lot more in common with cis women. Trans women should not be called men. It is highly insulting, and others are doing it is well.

Which brings me back to the fact that I will be distancing myself from this place for awhile. If 80% of those here are going to direspect my personhood, then WTF am I doing here?

BTW, those of us who are trans. make up around 1% of the population, so we sure as fuck are doing a horrible job “trans’ing the kids”. That’s sarcasm in case you couldn’t tell.

So regardless of how you truly feel about us deep down being “men”, you might be best redirecting your party back to some kitchen table issues actually affecting Americans.

[Honeyman]

Don't take me down the drain with you, bmw. After I educated myself I said:

...rumors of the other persons hormone situation...

What are you suggesting here exactly? That the fight was in fact between 2 biological females?

Actually, doing some research it appears it was. She was born a girl and is a woman. The "DNA test" she supposedly failed was administered by a disgraced testing agency run by a heroin dealer and no one even knows what kind of test it was.

Besides which, she's lost something like 30% of her boxing matches.

As far my other comment, I think it's an obvious fact biological men are stronger than women. Men are faster and stronger and it is proven in every Olympic competition. Men's tennis tourneys are best of 5 and women's are best of 3. Golf tees are moved up for women. Etc. Etc. Etc. This isn't even a point of discussion.

If I posted something that offended you MCRF, I apologize. It comes out of ignorance and not prejudice. But don't be a Bryce and leave the site because of cruel comments, or pussy out like Trump. Stay here and educate the site on the trials you are going thru.

[Matt]

Whether she was trans or not shouldn't matter. What does matter is that you're a transphobic asshole, Beemer.

You gonna direct the same comment towards Honeyman, who agreed with my initial post?

I don't think biological men should compete against women in athletic events. I'm not apologizing for that position.

You apparently also forgot that I defended you (I think I was the only one doing so in here) against the attacks from Neckbeard regarding you and Discord. I get no thanks for that, but instead called an asshole for my position on men in women's sports. Go put your tin foil hat back on and leave me the hell alone.

Fair point regarding Honeyman, and I definitely don’t remember you defending me from Neckbeard, but I appreciate that you did.
But only one person was making leaps that I was some predator, which was totally absurd.

I still don’t think you and most people in this thread(other than TCT, treetopz, FakeAndy and maybe RT) understand the effect of female hormones on trans women and those trans non binary. And they hold a hell of a lot more in common with cis women. Trans women should not be called men. It is highly insulting, and others are doing it is well.

Which brings me back to the fact that I will be distancing myself from this place for awhile. If 80% of those here are going to direspect my personhood, then WTF am I doing here?

BTW, those of us who are trans. make up around 1% of the population, so we sure as fuck are doing a horrible job “trans’ing the kids”. That’s sarcasm in case you couldn’t tell.

So regardless of how you truly feel about us deep down being “men”, you might be best redirecting your party back to some kitchen table issues actually affecting Americans.

Interesting that I didn't get a mention...

I agree with HM - stay.

[MotorCityRadioFreak]

Don't take me down the drain with you, bmw. After I educated myself I said:

...rumors of the other persons hormone situation...

What are you suggesting here exactly? That the fight was in fact between 2 biological females?

Actually, doing some research it appears it was. She was born a girl and is a woman. The "DNA test" she supposedly failed was administered by a disgraced testing agency run by a heroin dealer and no one even knows what kind of test it was.

Besides which, she's lost something like 30% of her boxing matches.

As far my other comment, I think it's an obvious fact biological men are stronger than women. Men are faster and stronger and it is proven in every Olympic competition. Men's tennis tourneys are best of 5 and women's are best of 3. Golf tees are moved up for women. Etc. Etc. Etc. This isn't even a point of discussion.

If I posted something that offended you MCRF, I apologize. It comes out of ignorance and not prejudice. But don't be a Bryce and leave the site because of cruel comments, or pussy out like Trump. Stay here and educate the site on the trials you are going thru.

But there are some intricacies that are missed here in this conversation. “Biological male” is kind of a misnomer in that doctors have incorrectly assumed sex by looking at anatomy of a child at birth. There have been people assigned as males when they are intersex in actuality and the same with some being assigned females at birth.

Also, there is a variation of hormonal levels between those who are cisgender female and cisgender male(as well as trans, but one thing at a time). Such is the case here where this boxer was assigned female at birth yet had a variation in testosterone levels outside the norm without using banned substances and of no fault of her own.

More here: https://youtu.be/UpA42REDV8w?si=P70f8cyI63PFVw_O

Are we going to figuratively dunk on the center from China who stands a foot taller than her counterparts playing for other countries?

What’s lost in all this is the embarrassment that this woman faced for being accused of cheating at boxing in a transphobic way. She had lost a match in 2021 as I understand it and has not “destroyed” her competition.

Now, back to the point made earlier. The bottom line is that trans females and non binary folks assigned male at birth on estrogen and testosterone blockers lose tons of muscle mass. Some trans fems lose around 50% of their muscle mass before transitioning. The other thing is that trans fems can lose as much as 3 inches in height due to loss of muscles in feet and repositioning of posture. The physical strength of a trans woman is maybe a shade stronger than cis women. Higher levels of estrogen in trans females can actually weaken bone structure more than that of cis women.

What I want everyone here to realize is that these types of stories are started to demonize people like us. By othering us, it leads to discrimination and resentment. Most of us are aware of bathroom bills, but it goes far beyond that. Type in “new anti translation” and the red or purple state of your choice. You will find oodles of discriminatory legislation proposed and often passed.

But really, it is exhausting trying to educate everyone on trans issues. I don’t feel that I should have to advocate and education just as a person of color should not have to do so either.

I feel that many will not understand the plight of trans women until they realize that pay inequality is a real thing for cis women. Misogyny is real and not just a feminist’s calling card. Being male does carry privilege as men are likely to be chosen as CEOs 4 times more than women. Women are more than “a pair”. They add value in nurturing as well as have the capability of intellectual though.

As I have said earlier, discrimination against trans women hurts cis women. Cis women get accused of “pretending to be a woman” if they have any masculine feature whatsoever which leaves them harassed and kicked of bathrooms by trans exclusionary radical feminists. It’s going to take sea change necessary to make things right. It’s up to us to advocate for change.

My leaving or taking a break has nothing to do with being afraid, but I want my opinions taken seriously and honored as part of my worth. Many scientists acknowledge our existence, and we aren’t seen as peculiar. It’s not just someone who is a gender studies professor who concocted these ideas.

[bmw]

Fair point regarding Honeyman, and I definitely don’t remember you defending me from Neckbeard, but I appreciate that you did.
But only one person was making leaps that I was some predator, which was totally absurd.

It wasn't all that long ago. And you even responded to me. Surprised you forgot.

https://mibuzzboard.com/phpBB3/viewtopi ... &start=105

Going back and re-reading some of that is fascinating in light of calls for me to apologize in this thread. Some of the same people from here posted there as well, but nobody called him out for his accusations, which were far, far worse than anything I've said here AND were directly targeted at a forum member.

I stand by what I said earlier. Bunch of hypocrites. Perfectly ok for somebody here to suggest without evidence that a forum member hangs out with pedophiles but I jump the gun in suggesting that a male knocked out a female in an Olympic boxing match and all hell breaks loose with multiple calls for me to apologize.

[MotorCityRadioFreak]

Fair point regarding Honeyman, and I definitely don’t remember you defending me from Neckbeard, but I appreciate that you did.
But only one person was making leaps that I was some predator, which was totally absurd.

It wasn't all that long ago. And you even responded to me. Surprised you forgot.

https://mibuzzboard.com/phpBB3/viewtopi ... &start=105

Going back and re-reading some of that is fascinating in light of calls for me to apologize in this thread. Some of the same people from here posted there as well, but nobody called him out for his accusations, which were far, far worse than anything I've said here AND were directly targeted at a forum member.

I stand by what I said earlier. Bunch of hypocrites. Perfectly ok for somebody here to suggest without evidence that a forum member hangs out with pedophiles but I jump the gun in suggesting that a male knocked out a female in an Olympic boxing match and all hell breaks loose with multiple calls for me to apologize.

I have had many online confrontations due to supporting trans people, not even coming out as one. Many of you fail to realize how frequently this shit happens. Some of them violent threats that local law enforcement could care less about. Many of them in the last year. Forgive me if I unintentionally have to erase them from my mind. Constant invalidation does terrible things to the psyche. And eventually, people have enough and say "I am going to defend myself. I am done putting up with insults for the 1,000th time." So, you get public freak outs after someone misgenders you in public for the 15th time.this week. The Ben Shapiros and Matt Walsh crowd spouting off dehumanizing bullshit is directly responsible for us living in hell.