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Washington Post regrets staying neutral

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MWmetalhead wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2024 7:24 am Harris has fumbled the ball on messaging the past several weeks, there's no arguing that, in my opinion. Walz in the VP debate dropped the ball to a degree, and it's been downhill since then for the Harris campaign from a messaging standpoint.

I don't get why most of the Harris rallies are invitation only. Case in point - Royal Oak last week. She needs to be speaking to broader groups. Speaking of fumbles, the fact a significant percentage of Muslims in Michigan are going to vote for Trump is a tremendous failing on the part of the Harris campaign. Trump loves Netanyahu, and seems to want no limits on Israeli military aggression. Winning the Muslim vote for Harris should be a softball, yet she's squandering it.

In the Detroit market, ads from Trump and from Trump PACs have flooded the airwaves in recent weeks, substantially outnumbering pro-Harris ads. Unlike 2016 and 2020, when Trump's campaign and allies ran few ads, they've run an epic tidal wave of ads this cycle.
Keep in mind the Harris campaign is running with largely the same group as the Biden campaign did. That means the same communication people that were afraid to let him get out there. They’ve kept it up with Harris for some reason. They basically ceded economic messaging during Biden’s presidency… you can’t turn a corner without seeing some sign about the infrastructure law… economic growth and job growth are good… they should have been going out daily with messaging on that in real time. We get that you’re hurting here’s where we are sorta stuff. Instead they just kinda kept Biden out of the way and let Trump own the narrative for 4 years. If they lose it’ll be because they had some of the worst communications people and strategy known to man. They have taught me you can create 15 million new jobs and have 3-5% economic growth and still have people feep helpless and in a recession for example. That shouldn’t be possible.

I guess bottom line is you can’t run a Presidency for 4 years and a campaign after that by trying to be exposed as little as possible against a guy who will brag and take credit for any and everything and suck up all kinds of oxygen in every News cycle on a permanent basis.
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...worst communications people and strategy known to man? :rollin

I didn't think it was quite that bad...but I'll accept it from you :blink

They had a decent volume of Ads, they're just stupidly written.
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Rate This wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2024 7:58 am Keep in mind the Harris campaign is running with largely the same group as the Biden campaign did. That means the same communication people that were afraid to let him get out there. They’ve kept it up with Harris for some reason.
Probably because they know she is equally prone to shooting herself in the foot. Biden's issue is obviously his mental decline due to age and possibly early stage dementia. In his prime he was smart, quick witted, and sharp with his messaging. While Harris may have her mental faculties, the repeated word salads she speaks in indicate limited intelligence in presidential matters. Her handlers know this would further be exposed if they don't try to tightly control her audience. A job made easier because they know the media will help with that.
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Graham Wellington wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2024 8:38 am
Rate This wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2024 7:58 am Keep in mind the Harris campaign is running with largely the same group as the Biden campaign did. That means the same communication people that were afraid to let him get out there. They’ve kept it up with Harris for some reason.
Probably because they know she is equally prone to shooting herself in the foot. Biden's issue is obviously his mental decline due to age and possibly early stage dementia. In his prime he was smart, quick witted, and sharp with his messaging. While Harris may have her mental faculties, the repeated word salads she speaks in indicate limited intelligence in presidential matters. Her handlers know this would further be exposed if they don't try to tightly control her audience. A job made easier because they know the media will help with that.
Except they are cleaning Trump up and doubting her. She’s up against a guy who said the other day that Rabbits are getting tangled in solar panels and dying in the desert. I mean how much could she shoot herself in the foot really?

I did see after the town hall on CNN a clip where Jake Tapper commented that they are treating Harris like a normal politician and not doing the same for Trump. He’s getting a lot more leeway to just say dumb things. He’s a politician at this point. That ship sailed a long time ago. That seems pretty correct to me. He’s not being held to the same standard and the insane things he says aren’t being scrutinized the way they need to be. Would press conferences help her? Mayyyyybe… but the calls for them from the media are more about the media having their feelings hurt because she isn’t doing them than actually letting people learn something.
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Rate This wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2024 8:45 am
Graham Wellington wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2024 8:38 am
Rate This wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2024 7:58 am Keep in mind the Harris campaign is running with largely the same group as the Biden campaign did. That means the same communication people that were afraid to let him get out there. They’ve kept it up with Harris for some reason.
Probably because they know she is equally prone to shooting herself in the foot. Biden's issue is obviously his mental decline due to age and possibly early stage dementia. In his prime he was smart, quick witted, and sharp with his messaging. While Harris may have her mental faculties, the repeated word salads she speaks in indicate limited intelligence in presidential matters. Her handlers know this would further be exposed if they don't try to tightly control her audience. A job made easier because they know the media will help with that.
Except they are cleaning Trump up and doubting her. She’s up against a guy who said the other day that Rabbits are getting tangled in solar panels and dying in the desert. I mean how much could she shoot herself in the foot really?

I did see after the town hall on CNN a clip where Jake Tapper commented that they are treating Harris like a normal politician and not doing the same for Trump. He’s getting a lot more leeway to just say dumb things. He’s a politician at this point. That ship sailed a long time ago. That seems pretty correct to me. He’s not being held to the same standard and the insane things he says aren’t being scrutinized the way they need to be. Would press conferences help her? Mayyyyybe… but the calls for them from the media are more about the media having their feelings hurt because she isn’t doing them than actually letting people learn something.
For the debate between Trump and Harris, the moderators "fact checked" Trump several times. but not Harris even though she said some questionable things. It seems they were very willing to point out his idiocy there, but let Harris slide.
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Graham Wellington wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2024 2:04 pm
Rate This wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2024 8:45 am
Graham Wellington wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2024 8:38 am
Rate This wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2024 7:58 am Keep in mind the Harris campaign is running with largely the same group as the Biden campaign did. That means the same communication people that were afraid to let him get out there. They’ve kept it up with Harris for some reason.
Probably because they know she is equally prone to shooting herself in the foot. Biden's issue is obviously his mental decline due to age and possibly early stage dementia. In his prime he was smart, quick witted, and sharp with his messaging. While Harris may have her mental faculties, the repeated word salads she speaks in indicate limited intelligence in presidential matters. Her handlers know this would further be exposed if they don't try to tightly control her audience. A job made easier because they know the media will help with that.
Except they are cleaning Trump up and doubting her. She’s up against a guy who said the other day that Rabbits are getting tangled in solar panels and dying in the desert. I mean how much could she shoot herself in the foot really?

I did see after the town hall on CNN a clip where Jake Tapper commented that they are treating Harris like a normal politician and not doing the same for Trump. He’s getting a lot more leeway to just say dumb things. He’s a politician at this point. That ship sailed a long time ago. That seems pretty correct to me. He’s not being held to the same standard and the insane things he says aren’t being scrutinized the way they need to be. Would press conferences help her? Mayyyyybe… but the calls for them from the media are more about the media having their feelings hurt because she isn’t doing them than actually letting people learn something.
For the debate between Trump and Harris, the moderators "fact checked" Trump several times. but not Harris even though she said some questionable things. It seems they were very willing to point out his idiocy there, but let Harris slide.
She didn’t say anything completely insane.
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Graham Wellington wrote: Sat Oct 26, 2024 9:55 pm
Rate This wrote: Sat Oct 26, 2024 9:25 pm
Graham Wellington wrote: Sat Oct 26, 2024 9:18 pm So the staff throws a hissy fit because the paper declined to endorse Harris, but yet they expect everyone to believe they are fair and impartial in their reporting.
Likely they feel the journalistic duty to plainly say who Trump is and what he represents and why he should never have power. Now they don’t get that chance.
That's not being impartial. Those are the angry screaming liberals you mentioned masquerading as reporters.
If Wash Post had endorsed Trump, Bezos wouldn't have intervened. That's the gist of the issue. Trump is crazy enough to hurt Bezos, and he knows it.
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TC Talks wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2024 5:21 pm
Graham Wellington wrote: Sat Oct 26, 2024 9:55 pm
Rate This wrote: Sat Oct 26, 2024 9:25 pm
Graham Wellington wrote: Sat Oct 26, 2024 9:18 pm So the staff throws a hissy fit because the paper declined to endorse Harris, but yet they expect everyone to believe they are fair and impartial in their reporting.
Likely they feel the journalistic duty to plainly say who Trump is and what he represents and why he should never have power. Now they don’t get that chance.
That's not being impartial. Those are the angry screaming liberals you mentioned masquerading as reporters.
If Wash Post had endorsed Trump, Bezos wouldn't have intervened. That's the gist of the issue. Trump is crazy enough to hurt Bezos, and he knows it.
However, if WaPo had endorsed Trump, would we see the same mutiny amongst staff that we saw with no endorsement? That is the million dollar question. Because if the answer is yes, it shows that these people weren't angry solely because of no endorsement, but rather angry that their candidate didn't get endorsed. And further proving that WaPo is full of political activists masquerading as legitimate journalists.
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Graham Wellington wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2024 11:18 pm
TC Talks wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2024 5:21 pm
Graham Wellington wrote: Sat Oct 26, 2024 9:55 pm
Rate This wrote: Sat Oct 26, 2024 9:25 pm
Graham Wellington wrote: Sat Oct 26, 2024 9:18 pm So the staff throws a hissy fit because the paper declined to endorse Harris, but yet they expect everyone to believe they are fair and impartial in their reporting.
Likely they feel the journalistic duty to plainly say who Trump is and what he represents and why he should never have power. Now they don’t get that chance.
That's not being impartial. Those are the angry screaming liberals you mentioned masquerading as reporters.
If Wash Post had endorsed Trump, Bezos wouldn't have intervened. That's the gist of the issue. Trump is crazy enough to hurt Bezos, and he knows it.
However, if WaPo had endorsed Trump, would we see the same mutiny amongst staff that we saw with no endorsement? That is the million dollar question. Because if the answer is yes, it shows that these people weren't angry solely because of no endorsement, but rather angry that their candidate didn't get endorsed. And further proving that WaPo is full of political activists masquerading as legitimate journalists.
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How difficult is it for Harris to just run ads of shit Donald Trump said, nothing else. Almost as if she is sabotaging her own campaign.
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Graham Wellington wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2024 11:18 pm
TC Talks wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2024 5:21 pm
Graham Wellington wrote: Sat Oct 26, 2024 9:55 pm
Rate This wrote: Sat Oct 26, 2024 9:25 pm
Graham Wellington wrote: Sat Oct 26, 2024 9:18 pm So the staff throws a hissy fit because the paper declined to endorse Harris, but yet they expect everyone to believe they are fair and impartial in their reporting.
Likely they feel the journalistic duty to plainly say who Trump is and what he represents and why he should never have power. Now they don’t get that chance.
That's not being impartial. Those are the angry screaming liberals you mentioned masquerading as reporters.
If Wash Post had endorsed Trump, Bezos wouldn't have intervened. That's the gist of the issue. Trump is crazy enough to hurt Bezos, and he knows it.
However, if WaPo had endorsed Trump, would we see the same mutiny amongst staff that we saw with no endorsement? That is the million dollar question. Because if the answer is yes, it shows that these people weren't angry solely because of no endorsement, but rather angry that their candidate didn't get endorsed. And further proving that WaPo is full of political activists masquerading as legitimate journalists.
Trump wants to murder all legitimate journalists so you are ignorant as fuck.
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Graham Wellington wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2024 11:18 pm
TC Talks wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2024 5:21 pm
Graham Wellington wrote: Sat Oct 26, 2024 9:55 pm
Rate This wrote: Sat Oct 26, 2024 9:25 pm
Graham Wellington wrote: Sat Oct 26, 2024 9:18 pm So the staff throws a hissy fit because the paper declined to endorse Harris, but yet they expect everyone to believe they are fair and impartial in their reporting.
Likely they feel the journalistic duty to plainly say who Trump is and what he represents and why he should never have power. Now they don’t get that chance.
That's not being impartial. Those are the angry screaming liberals you mentioned masquerading as reporters.
If Wash Post had endorsed Trump, Bezos wouldn't have intervened. That's the gist of the issue. Trump is crazy enough to hurt Bezos, and he knows it.
However, if WaPo had endorsed Trump, would we see the same mutiny amongst staff that we saw with no endorsement? That is the million dollar question. Because if the answer is yes, it shows that these people weren't angry solely because of no endorsement, but rather angry that their candidate didn't get endorsed. And further proving that WaPo is full of political activists masquerading as legitimate journalists.
The editorial page writers at any paper aren't there for journalistic purposes. They are opinion writers.
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There's been a good supply of chickenshit-ism of all flavors throughout this campaign. In terms of business hedge-betting, it's always been a thing. The big difference this time is it's no longer implied that there will be repercussions if expectations aren't met.

I don't like it but I can understand why Bezos has acted the way he did. He has Trump's broken AWS contact to prove it. So who's the bad guy here?
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More than 200,000 people have canceled their subscriptions to the Washington Post — about 8% of its base — after Jeff Bezos, the paper’s owner and founder of Amazon, barred the editorial board from running a presidential endorsement, according to a report.

NPR, citing anonymous sources, cited the figure in a report and said the number of cancelations “continued to grow” on Monday afternoon. The controversy threatens to put a major dent in the Washington Post’s circulation of 2.5 million subscribers.
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USA Today has joined the chorus of papers that will not endorse a candidate. Pussies, all of them
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