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zzand wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 11:42 am
My hope is the UK tells the Trump administration to stuff it
Ditto…
Meanwhile the right-wing has seized on this bit of irrelevance now in the Abrego-Garcia case as ‘proof’ they did the right thing sending him to El Salvador…
ABC:
Wife of deported Maryland man had a temporary order of protection against him.
Note the word temporary. This occurred in 2021. The domestic situation between him and his wife is immaterial to whether they could just up and ship the guy off one day. They are using this to tear the wife down now when who knows what we are actually missing in terms of their relationship status. That could be a long resolved issue for all we know.
Honeyman wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 11:58 am
This poor guy is gonna die in prison.
If that CECOT is as rough as rumoured he could be dead already for all we know. The bigger issue is you and I both know this is gonna expand and ensnare more people legally allowed to be here are actual citizens as Trump floated earlier this week.
Politico:
Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent has cautioned the White House that attempts to fire Fed Chair Jerome Powell would risk destabilizing financial markets.
Rate This wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 12:27 pm
Politico:
Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent has cautioned the White House that attempts to fire Fed Chair Jerome Powell would risk destabilizing financial markets.
They aren't destasilized already?
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Not that I don't believe the talks are going satisfactory but until I see signed trade deals with anyone I ain't buying a thing they say. Meanwhile China will not bend nor should they.
zzand wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 1:45 pm
Not that I don't believe the talks are going satisfactory but until I see signed trade deals with anyone I ain't buying a thing they say. Meanwhile China will not bend nor should they.
Well exactly… and I don’t really expect the trade deals they come up with to be Earth shattering. They’ll be modest like the USMCA was but it’ll allow them to crow incessantly.
zzand wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 11:42 am
My hope is the UK tells the Trump administration to stuff it
Ditto…
Meanwhile the right-wing has seized on this bit of irrelevance now in the Abrego-Garcia case as ‘proof’ they did the right thing sending him to El Salvador…
ABC:
Wife of deported Maryland man had a temporary order of protection against him.
Note the word temporary. This occurred in 2021. The domestic situation between him and his wife is immaterial to whether they could just up and ship the guy off one day. They are using this to tear the wife down now when who knows what we are actually missing in terms of their relationship status. That could be a long resolved issue for all we know.
The Brits call Trump and Vance the same thing I do.
There is a difference between simple deportation versus sending a deportee straight to a very hardcore foreign prison (granted, in his native country) with no judicial hearing or trial of any kind.
If Abrego-Garcia were merely deported, I'd have zero issue. He immigrated here illegally.
It's the fact he is being touted as a violent gang member with flimsy evidence and no trial, and the fact he is now incarcerated indefinitely (or worse), that makes my stomach turn.
Trump is too stupid to know what "reciprocal" means.
The crux of the Trumper. When it comes to others, no matter what has happened, they deserve what they get. No matter how minute it was (like the temporary order in 2021), that means he should die in that concentration camp (prison my ass). My mother did that shit with George Floyd. Because he passed a bad 20 or had drugs in his system, he automatically deserved to die. "THOSE people made a name for themselves" is exactly her quote.
But when it comes to shitty things they've done in their lives?
"Tell them Jesus dropped the charges"
"Don't worry about my past, I don't live there anymore".
Gimme a fucking break. I'm so sick of these fucking "people".
"Internet is no more like radio than intravenous feeding is like fine dining."
-TurkeyTop
MWmetalhead wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 5:09 pm
There is a difference between simple deportation versus sending a deportee straight to a very hardcore foreign prison (granted, in his native country) with no judicial hearing or trial of any kind.
If Abrego-Garcia were merely deported, I'd have zero issue. He immigrated here illegally.
It's the fact he is being touted as a violent gang member with flimsy evidence and no trial, and the fact he is now incarcerated indefinitely (or worse), that makes my stomach turn.
The issue is he had a permanent order from 2019 that he was to remain in the U.S. as a protectee of the U.S. government because it was too dangerous for him to return to El Salvador. He was no longer simply just another illegal and was no longer subject to any chance of deportation. That’s why the lawyer they dismissed said it was an administrative error and why the argument is basically “whoops but once he’s gone you get the shrug emoji.” So Abrego-Garcia was not in the same ballpark as someone who walked across the border in the last few years. That’s why the judge is livid they won’t go get him back… they have a legal obligation to do so based on his permanent legal status. So he really isn’t an illegal alien at this point. This is pretty much a slam dunk case and how he got here is no longer relevant to his situation.
I don’t know if you were aware of all of the above or if any of the above makes your stomach turn a little more. It scares the hell out of me. Because this says they will be pleased as punch to do this to other folks who are not deportable too.
