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That's a bizarre way, IMO, of trying to achieve some kind of moral high ground.
There is nothing I can do if the 2 major parties put up candidates I dislike, but vote for a third party.
We do lock up criminals. Trump definitely qualifies as a criminal. He has been one decades before politics.
Do you think George W. Bush and Ronald Reagan were criminals?
I think you're missing my point, which is that you actually do WANT the lesser of 2 evils to win, yet you won't actually vote for that person, as if your hands are somehow clean but you can still be happy about the outcome.Honeyman wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2024 10:29 amThere is nothing I can do if the 2 major parties put up candidates I dislike, but vote for a third party.
I hate the Chiefs and the 49ers tomorrow too, but because I dislike KC less, I'll root for them.
Sorry you can't understand my way of thinking. Obviously, we look at many things differently.
I can't comment on Reagan. I believe Rumsfeld was guilty of war crimes.
So would you hold your nose if you didn’t have that California bubble to allow you to safely vote third party knowing the democrat is a lock? If you were in a state where the vote between the two was gonna be 10,000 or so apart would you still protest but hope Trump loses? And no you don’t know the 10,000 bit ahead of time. It’s a real nail biter… you are sick to your stomach worried about Newsom blowing this…Honeyman wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2024 10:12 amFWIW, I don't like Gavin Newsom. I think he's a phony. Out for himself, dishonest, duplicit. Like most politicians, but smoother.bmw wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2024 9:53 amI already asked him that EXACT question back in November of 2022. First I asked him if he'd vote for Newsom, to which he said no, that he has no problem voting third party. Then I followed that up by asking him if he'd vote for Newsom if he lived in Michigan. His answer? "I don't find him equally objectionable as Trump. But unlike you, I refuse to vote for the lesser of two evils if that person is deplorable in my eyes."
So there you have it. Honeyman's opinion of Newsom is that he is "deplorable."
I live in California, so my vote will not sway who might win an election, certainly not for president, so I almost always vote 3rd party as my own "statement". If it was an election between Trump and Newsom, I would 100% prefer that Newsom won. The fact that I would not check his box is my personal matter.
One choice is better than the other. That doesn't necessarilybmw wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2024 10:36 amI think you're missing my point, which is that you actually do WANT the lesser of 2 evils to win, yet you won't actually vote for that person, as if your hands are somehow clean but you can still be happy about the outcome.Honeyman wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2024 10:29 amThere is nothing I can do if the 2 major parties put up candidates I dislike, but vote for a third party.
I hate the Chiefs and the 49ers tomorrow too, but because I dislike KC less, I'll root for them.
Sorry you can't understand my way of thinking. Obviously, we look at many things differently.
I honestly don't know what I would do if I still lived in Michigan and my vote might actually count. I believe I would still vote third party, but the actual belief of a 2nd Trump term might indeed sway me.Rate This wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2024 10:43 amSo would you hold your nose if you didn’t have that California bubble to allow you to safely vote third party knowing the democrat is a lock? If you were in a state where the vote between the two was gonna be 10,000 or so apart would you still protest but hope Trump loses? And no you don’t know the 10,000 bit ahead of time. It’s a real nail biter… you are sick to your stomach worried about Newsom blowing this…Honeyman wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2024 10:12 amFWIW, I don't like Gavin Newsom. I think he's a phony. Out for himself, dishonest, duplicit. Like most politicians, but smoother.bmw wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2024 9:53 amI already asked him that EXACT question back in November of 2022. First I asked him if he'd vote for Newsom, to which he said no, that he has no problem voting third party. Then I followed that up by asking him if he'd vote for Newsom if he lived in Michigan. His answer? "I don't find him equally objectionable as Trump. But unlike you, I refuse to vote for the lesser of two evils if that person is deplorable in my eyes."
So there you have it. Honeyman's opinion of Newsom is that he is "deplorable."
I live in California, so my vote will not sway who might win an election, certainly not for president, so I almost always vote 3rd party as my own "statement". If it was an election between Trump and Newsom, I would 100% prefer that Newsom won. The fact that I would not check his box is my personal matter.
You realize not being able to pull the lever for the one of the major candidates is how we got here right?Honeyman wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2024 10:48 amI honestly don't know what I would do if I still lived in Michigan and my vote might actually count. I believe I would still vote third party, but the actual belief of a 2nd Trump term might indeed sway me.Rate This wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2024 10:43 amSo would you hold your nose if you didn’t have that California bubble to allow you to safely vote third party knowing the democrat is a lock? If you were in a state where the vote between the two was gonna be 10,000 or so apart would you still protest but hope Trump loses? And no you don’t know the 10,000 bit ahead of time. It’s a real nail biter… you are sick to your stomach worried about Newsom blowing this…Honeyman wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2024 10:12 amFWIW, I don't like Gavin Newsom. I think he's a phony. Out for himself, dishonest, duplicit. Like most politicians, but smoother.bmw wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2024 9:53 amI already asked him that EXACT question back in November of 2022. First I asked him if he'd vote for Newsom, to which he said no, that he has no problem voting third party. Then I followed that up by asking him if he'd vote for Newsom if he lived in Michigan. His answer? "I don't find him equally objectionable as Trump. But unlike you, I refuse to vote for the lesser of two evils if that person is deplorable in my eyes."
So there you have it. Honeyman's opinion of Newsom is that he is "deplorable."
I live in California, so my vote will not sway who might win an election, certainly not for president, so I almost always vote 3rd party as my own "statement". If it was an election between Trump and Newsom, I would 100% prefer that Newsom won. The fact that I would not check his box is my personal matter.
I don't give third parties a consideration because they're not viable. When you have 2 viable choices, you pick one. Real life is full of having to pick from 2 choices when you don't necessarily like either, why should elections be any different? To use a work analogy, if your boss gives you a choice between A and B, and you pick C, let me know how many times you succeed in getting C as opposed to still getting stuck with A or B.Honeyman wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2024 10:44 amOne choice is better than the other. That doesn't necessarily make that choice ideal, simply better. That has nothing to do with keeping my hands clean, or having a higher moral terpitude than you. I know I can't change the world, and the 2 party system. All I have is my one vote.
Your issue is you only see things in black and white. You refuse to give 3rd parties even a consideration, as many other Americans. As a result, look at the choice we're stuck with.
And a hell of a lot of weapons. I'm with Mega... breakfast and not killing each other sounds pleasant.