Tish Harrison Warren: Your book presents the resurrection of Jesus as an actual, physical, historical event, not simply a metaphor or spiritual experience. Why does the idea that this was an actual event matter to you?
N.T. Wright: I’m well aware that many people — including some in churches — have treated the resurrection and Easter as a general way of talking about the rebirth of hope or a spiritual metaphor. Indeed, in the New Testament, the idea of resurrection is sometimes used metaphorically to talk about a new moral life, a life where everything is going to be different. But in the New Testament, that’s always rooted in the claim that when they’re talking about resurrection, they’re talking about something that actually happened.
In the first century, the word for resurrection, the Greek word “anastasis,” was never about a vague sense of possibility or the rebirth of hope or anything like that. It was always about people who had been bodily dead now discovered to be bodily alive. I’ve shown in great detail in the book that all the early Christians for whom we have any evidence, right through until around 150 years after the time of Jesus, when they’re talking about resurrection, that’s what they’re talking about.
It’s beyond question that when the first followers of Jesus used that language about him, they intended to say something definite about his being bodily alive, albeit in a whole new way. He seemed to have gone through death and out the other side, but into a new world in which he was emphatically embodied. Unless we are prepared to acknowledge that, we’re simply not taking their words seriously.
Then, as now, claiming that somebody was alive again — particularly somebody who made the sort of claims that Jesus made or were made about him — was revolutionary. It was dangerous talk. So if people don’t like dangerous talk, then stay away from Easter is my advice.
“The discovery that dead people stayed dead was not first made by the philosophers of the Enlightenment.” That’s obvious, of course, but we sometimes assume that skepticism is a recent phenomenon. How would ancient Jewish audiences and Gentile audiences think about the apostles talking about the resurrection?
Early Christianity was born into a world where everybody knew that its central claim was ridiculous, and the early Christians knew it themselves. It’s not that they thought resurrection might just happen to a few people here and there. But they said it had happened in this case.
This claim seemed absolutely crazy. Ordinary, sober people knew perfectly well that dead people don’t get raised up again.
Many Jewish people for two centuries before Jesus and on for at least the next century believed that in the end, all God’s people would be raised because they believed that the God of Israel, the Creator God, would remake the whole world. But this is about one person being raised from the dead ahead of everybody else.
In the non-Jewish world, there is no evidence that anyone is expecting dead people to come back again. There’s lots of speculation about other places they might go. The Platonic speculation about going off to the Isles of the Blessed and having lovely conversations about philosophy all day. The Stoics believed that there would be a great Phoenixlike conflagration and the whole world would then be reborn.
But most people knew that when you died, that was basically it. That’s why when Paul, in Athens, said this had happened, most of them laughed at him. It didn’t fit their worldview. That’s crucial because you can’t fit the resurrection into the existing worldviews that we’ve got. The resurrection brings its own worldview with it and says, if you’re going to understand the way things are, you start with this and work out. If Jesus really has been raised, then everything is different.
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Jesus "arose from the dead". It isn't just a metaphor
Jesus "arose from the dead". It isn't just a metaphor
Here is one of the world's leading researchers on the resurrection. Why do Americans need this to be an actual act, not a symbol for renewal? Interesting perspective.
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Re: Jesus "arose from the dead". It isn't just a metaphor
Nobody takes you seriously on this board. Your hateful, racist, mysoginist, posts in your other dozen identities precedes you. We don't want you here. We don't care for you opinions. Please go away.keto wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 8:20 pmJesus’ empty tomb is the most provable historical fact in all of history. More accounts if it, from both supporters and opponents, than any other historical act.
Oh, and when Chicago Tribune reporter and skeptic Lee Strobel made it his life’s work to disprove Jesus’ resurrection, he found more proof that supported it than denied it and became a Christian.
https://youtu.be/67uj2qvQi_k
Keep looking and the same will happen to you.
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Re: Jesus "arose from the dead". It isn't just a metaphor
Get lost. Vamoose. Hit the bricks. Beat it. Make like a tree and get the hell out of here.keto wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 8:20 pmJesus’ empty tomb is the most provable historical fact in all of history. More accounts if it, from both supporters and opponents, than any other historical act.
Oh, and when Chicago Tribune reporter and skeptic Lee Strobel made it his life’s work to disprove Jesus’ resurrection, he found more proof that supported it than denied it and became a Christian.
https://youtu.be/67uj2qvQi_k
Keep looking and the same will happen to you.
Re: Jesus "arose from the dead". It isn't just a metaphor
Please try not to quote him. It forces those of us (who have him on ignore) to see his drivel. Have we determined if he is related to Audiophile?
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Well, we agree for once.keto wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 8:20 pmJesus’ empty tomb is the most provable historical fact in all of history. More accounts if it, from both supporters and opponents, than any other historical act.
Oh, and when Chicago Tribune reporter and skeptic Lee Strobel made it his life’s work to disprove Jesus’ resurrection, he found more proof that supported it than denied it and became a Christian.
https://youtu.be/67uj2qvQi_k
Keep looking and the same will happen to you.
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Remember that “2000 Mules” was concocted by a circus of elephants.
The right needs to stop worry about what’s between people’s legs. Instead, they should focus on what’s between their ears.
Audacity sucks.
Re: Jesus "arose from the dead". It isn't just a metaphor
Alt account?
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That's funny. I only have one account, and frankly I have a lot better things to do.
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Like what, throw rocks at gays?audiophile wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 6:45 pmThat's funny. I only have one account, and frankly I have a lot better things to do.
Voting for Trump is dumber than playing Russian Roulette with fully loaded chambers.
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Working on my tan.
Given your hatred of cops, I wondered if you grew up in the same hood as LL.
Given your hatred of cops, I wondered if you grew up in the same hood as LL.
Ask not what your country can do FOR you; ask what they are about to do TO YOU!!
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I don't hate cops. I also don't blindly worship them either.audiophile wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 7:01 pmWorking on my tan.
Given your hatred of cops, I wondered if you grew up in the same hood as LL.
Tan? Working on your jebus blowtorches?
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keto wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 9:36 pmWhoa, easy on the cop-speak.Matt wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 7:56 pmI don't hate cops. I also don't blindly worship them either.audiophile wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 7:01 pmWorking on my tan.
Given your hatred of cops, I wondered if you grew up in the same hood as LL.
Tan? Working on your jebus blowtorches?
Apparently, a former troll was known for that kind of talk. Tread lightly.
8ball wrote: ↑Fri Nov 18, 2022 12:00 pmI can’t stand Ross Jones’ delivery, and he barely opens his mouth when speaks, but the content of this report is exemplary.
https://youtu.be/IUwguQrxHrU
dchildress wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 4:40 pmNobody’s reporting that Nancy was attacked with a hammer, too. Took hundreds of shots to the face, but since there was no visible change, no charges.
renu60 wrote: ↑Tue May 24, 2022 10:57 amThis is the height of disgusting!
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And yes, they're coming after your children.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArOQF4kadHA
They said so!
Reagan4prez wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 7:24 amSo, public education is a joke.
The “leaders” simply want to indoctrinate students, want to keep parents from seeing what teachers are doing, and collect a paycheck for 9 months of “work.”
Now, they want your mom teaching.
I wish I was kidding.
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factchecker wrote: ↑Thu Jun 24, 2021 10:41 amAs the resident factchecker here, allow me to state a fact.
Whether it's an embryo, a fetus, an infant, a toddler, a teenager, or any other age...it's all part of human development.
lovinlife101 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 7:25 amThis can not be overstated:
RECORD EVERY INTERACTION YOU HAVE WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT!!!
https://www.abc12.com/2020/11/17/corunn ... g-officers
They absolutely hate cameras and any form of accountability to the public, and this is why.
The, now former, police chief tells the man “I don’t give a fuck about your rights.”
This is how they feel about you, articulated for everyone to hear.
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Re: Jesus "arose from the dead". It isn't just a metaphor
There were hundreds of people that gave sworn testimony that they met him after he was crucified. That is a historical fact.
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