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Trump wanted to seize voting machines

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Trump wanted to seize voting machines

Post by TC Talks » Tue Feb 01, 2022 12:40 pm

The deeper things go with the January insurrection investigation, the more this seemed like a very calculated attempt to steal an election from the American people.

Trump was trying to persuade any one with authority to step in and declare him the victor when he clearly lost.

I hope his entire franchise of political idiots goes down in flames once we really get to the bottom of this tragic attack on democracy.
Six weeks after Election Day, with his hold on power slipping, President Donald J. Trump directed his lawyer, Rudolph W. Giuliani, to make a remarkable call. Mr. Trump wanted him to ask the Department of Homeland Security if it could legally take control of voting machines in key swing states, three people familiar with the matter said.

Mr. Giuliani did so, calling the department’s acting deputy secretary, who said he lacked the authority to audit or impound the machines.

Mr. Trump pressed Mr. Giuliani to make that inquiry after rejecting a separate effort by his outside advisers to have the Pentagon take control of the machines. And the outreach to the Department of Homeland Security came not long after Mr. Trump, in an Oval Office meeting with Attorney General William P. Barr, raised the possibility of whether the Justice Department could seize the machines, a previously undisclosed suggestion that Mr. Barr immediately shot down.

The new accounts show that Mr. Trump was more directly involved than previously known in exploring proposals to use his national security agencies to seize voting machines as he grasped unsuccessfully for evidence of fraud that would help him reverse his defeat in the 2020 election, according to people familiar with the episodes.

New accounts show that President Donald J. Trump was more directly involved than previously known in exploring proposals to use his national security agencies to seize voting machines.

Six weeks after Election Day, with his hold on power slipping, President Donald J. Trump directed his lawyer, Rudolph W. Giuliani, to make a remarkable call. Mr. Trump wanted him to ask the Department of Homeland Security if it could legally take control of voting machines in key swing states, three people familiar with the matter said.

Mr. Giuliani did so, calling the department’s acting deputy secretary, who said he lacked the authority to audit or impound the machines.

Mr. Trump pressed Mr. Giuliani to make that inquiry after rejecting a separate effort by his outside advisers to have the Pentagon take control of the machines. And the outreach to the Department of Homeland Security came not long after Mr. Trump, in an Oval Office meeting with Attorney General William P. Barr, raised the possibility of whether the Justice Department could seize the machines, a previously undisclosed suggestion that Mr. Barr immediately shot down.

The new accounts show that Mr. Trump was more directly involved than previously known in exploring proposals to use his national security agencies to seize voting machines as he grasped unsuccessfully for evidence of fraud that would help him reverse his defeat in the 2020 election, according to people familiar with the episodes.

The existence of proposals to use at least three federal departments to assist Mr. Trump’s attempt to stay in power has been publicly known. The proposals involving the Defense Department and the Department of Homeland Security were codified by advisers in the form of draft executive orders.

But the new accounts provide fresh insight into how the former president considered and to some degree pushed the plans, which would have taken the United States into uncharted territory by using federal authority to seize control of the voting systems run by states on baseless grounds of widespread voting fraud.

The people familiar with the matter were briefed on the events by participants or had firsthand knowledge of them.

The accounts about the voting machines emerged after a weekend when Mr. Trump declared at a rally in Texas that he might pardon people charged in connection with the storming of the Capitol last Jan. 6 if he were re-elected. In a statement issued after the rally, Mr. Trump also suggested that his vice president, Mike Pence, could have personally “overturned the election” by refusing to count delegates to the Electoral College who had vowed to cast their votes for Joseph R. Biden Jr.
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Re: Trump wanted to seize voting machines

Post by Lester The Nightfly » Tue Feb 01, 2022 2:12 pm

I liked the part where he said, through some convoluted logic that indeed it would have been legal for Pence to "overturn the election". OK moron, if that's the case I'll be more than happy to see Kamela do exactly that if need be in 2024. Even better will be all the Red Hats screaming bloody murder that it's illegal for a VP to "overturn an election".

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Re: Trump wanted to seize voting machines

Post by km1125 » Tue Feb 01, 2022 3:23 pm

Did you miss this one word, BOLDED below?

"... ask the Department of Homeland Security if it could legally take control of voting machines..."

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Re: Trump wanted to seize voting machines

Post by TC Talks » Tue Feb 01, 2022 3:40 pm

km1125 wrote:
Tue Feb 01, 2022 3:23 pm
Did you miss this one word, BOLDED below?

"... ask the Department of Homeland Security if it could legally take control of voting machines..."
Thank you for exasperating what a sore loser the guy was. Did you miss that the investigation is just getting started and Rudy is about to flip?
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Re: Trump wanted to seize voting machines

Post by Matt » Tue Feb 01, 2022 7:50 pm

km1125 wrote:
Tue Feb 01, 2022 3:23 pm
Did you miss this one word, BOLDED below?

"... ask the Department of Homeland Security if it could legally take control of voting machines..."
This is a guy who knows how Trump tastes.
Voting for Trump is dumber than playing Russian Roulette with fully loaded chambers.

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Re: Trump wanted to seize voting machines

Post by TC Talks » Tue Feb 01, 2022 7:56 pm

Matt wrote:
Tue Feb 01, 2022 7:50 pm
km1125 wrote:
Tue Feb 01, 2022 3:23 pm
Did you miss this one word, BOLDED below?

"... ask the Department of Homeland Security if it could legally take control of voting machines..."
This is a guy who knows how Trump tastes.
Probably rancid at this point.
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Re: Trump wanted to seize voting machines

Post by bmw » Tue Feb 01, 2022 8:46 pm

Trump has an unhealthy obsession with believing that the election was rigged against him, and the left has an even unhealthier obsession with milking this "insurrection" for all it is worth.

This is nothing more than a sideshow, and people on both sides need to just move on.

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Re: Trump wanted to seize voting machines

Post by Rate This » Tue Feb 01, 2022 10:27 pm

bmw wrote:
Tue Feb 01, 2022 8:46 pm
Trump has an unhealthy obsession with believing that the election was rigged against him, and the left has an even unhealthier obsession with milking this "insurrection" for all it is worth.

This is nothing more than a sideshow, and people on both sides need to just move on.
The problem is that the Republican Party is beholden to the man with the unhealthy obsession and could easily nominate said man as it’s presidential candidate. It’s kind of hard to move on from that…

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Re: Trump wanted to seize voting machines

Post by bmw » Tue Feb 01, 2022 11:30 pm

So why don't the Democrats just let the Republicans do that? Seems to me it doesn't make political sense for the Dems to be going after Trump right now.

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Re: Trump wanted to seize voting machines

Post by Bryce » Tue Feb 01, 2022 11:42 pm

The election was rigged. From AOL boy spending 300 million dollars to harvest votes in Democrat cities and areas, to last minute changes in how, when, where and who could vote in several states as well as the media downplaying and burying negative Biden stories and making up negative stories about Trump out of whole cloth then pounding them day and night.

I call shenanigans on the whole thing. He's right to call it rigged.
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Re: Trump wanted to seize voting machines

Post by Rate This » Tue Feb 01, 2022 11:42 pm

Bryce wrote:
Tue Feb 01, 2022 11:42 pm
The election was rigged. From AOL boy spending 300 million dollars to harvest votes in Democrat cities and areas, to last minute changes in how, when, where and who could vote in several states as well as the media downplaying and burying negative Biden stories and making up negative stories about Trump out of whole cloth then pounding them day and night.

I call shenanigans on the whole thing. He's right to call it rigged.
He blew it. That’s a fact. He could have been far more hammer it home on Covid and the vaccine and probably won in a walk. But he fucked it up like his business deals and naming rights and that’s all she wrote. He’s a terribly short sighted tactician with a savant like ability to read his base.

Nothing was rigged. He simply lost.

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Re: Trump wanted to seize voting machines

Post by bmw » Wed Feb 02, 2022 7:35 am

I'm pretty sure I posted a county-by-county analysis from Michigan some time back. I can't find it and I'm not going to produce it again, but the bottom line is that Trump's margin of victory was several points lower ACROSS THE BOARD including in most Republican counties compared to 2016. If an election was rigged specifically in heavily Democrat-controlled counties, you would expect to see bigger differences between margins in the blue counties compared to the red ones. And at least in Michigan, such differences just don't exist.

As to the way the national media generally covered the election up until election day - that's just a Trump-hating media. Never going to change that. And that's not rigging, either.

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Re: Trump wanted to seize voting machines

Post by Matt » Wed Feb 02, 2022 8:11 am

Rate This wrote:
Tue Feb 01, 2022 11:42 pm
Bryce wrote:
Tue Feb 01, 2022 11:42 pm
The election was rigged. From AOL boy spending 300 million dollars to harvest votes in Democrat cities and areas, to last minute changes in how, when, where and who could vote in several states as well as the media downplaying and burying negative Biden stories and making up negative stories about Trump out of whole cloth then pounding them day and night.

I call shenanigans on the whole thing. He's right to call it rigged.
He blew it. That’s a fact. He could have been far more hammer it home on Covid and the vaccine and probably won in a walk. But he fucked it up like his business deals and naming rights and that’s all she wrote. He’s a terribly short sighted tactician with a savant like ability to read his base.

Nothing was rigged. He simply lost.
In summary, he's an idiot savant without that pesky savant part.
Voting for Trump is dumber than playing Russian Roulette with fully loaded chambers.

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Re: Trump wanted to seize voting machines

Post by bmw » Wed Feb 02, 2022 8:16 am

Matt wrote:
Wed Feb 02, 2022 8:11 am
In summary, he's an idiot savant without that pesky savant part.
How many times have you switched sides when it comes to supporting vs. bashing Trump?

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Re: Trump wanted to seize voting machines

Post by Matt » Wed Feb 02, 2022 8:45 am

bmw wrote:
Wed Feb 02, 2022 8:16 am
Matt wrote:
Wed Feb 02, 2022 8:11 am
In summary, he's an idiot savant without that pesky savant part.
How many times have you switched sides when it comes to supporting vs. bashing Trump?
I went from Never Trump due to his boorish behavior to voting for him twice. The final straw for me was 1/6. Now that he's gone, I can objectively look at his record and see that, IMO, he was much better than the current vegetable in the big seat. His continued crying about losing an election that he should have won hurts the party.
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