A GOP blueprint emerges - time to tell Trump to pound sand

[Bryce]

How's life rooting for second place?

I'm not worried or rooting for anything but the health and wellbeing of our Country. A few more months of Biden, Pelosi and Schumer policy and we'll all be wishing we had a Dr. with the last name of Anderson. At least we'd be prepared for the ass fucking we're about to get.

[TC Talks]

How's life rooting for second place?

I'm not worried or rooting for anything but the health and wellbeing of our Country. A few more months of Biden, Pelosi and Schumer policy and we'll all be wishing we had a Dr. with the last name of Anderson. At least we'd be prepared for the ass fucking we're about to get.

If you think Trump it's going to save America I wish you luck.

[Bryce]

If you think Trump it's going to save America I wish you luck.

I'm not as certain Donald John Trump can save America at this point as I am that Biden and company can destroy it.

[bmw]

I know one thing - it isn't good for our country that over half of all Republicans genuinely believe that Trump won the election and had it stolen from him.

[Honeyman]

I know one thing - it isn't good for our country that over half of all Republicans genuinely believe that Trump won the election and had it stolen from him.

100%.

[MWmetalhead]

I would love a third party to form populated by the likes of Ben Sasse, Paul Mitchell, Pete Meijer, John Bolton, John Cornyn, Fred Upton. Jeff Flake, Mitt Romney, and Liz Cheney.

If that were to occur - I'd renounce my GOP affiliation in a heartbeat.

A bunch of mouth breathing Trump worshippers are ruining the Republican party. Maybe if Trump didn't act like a total ass in the first debate, he'd still be President today.

[Matt]

I would love a third party to form populated by the likes of Ben Sasse, Paul Mitchell, Pete Meijer, John Bolton, John Cornyn, Fred Upton. Jeff Flake, Mitt Romney, and Liz Cheney.

If that were to occur - I'd renounce my GOP affiliation in a heartbeat.

A bunch of mouth breathing Trump worshippers are ruining the Republican party. Maybe if Trump didn't act like a total ass in the first debate, he'd still be President today.

John Bolton? Jeff Flake? HARD pass. The others are fine.

[MWmetalhead]

I can understand your dislike of Mr. Bolton. Your antipathy toward Mr. Flake is a little surprising, however.

[TC Talks]

Great Moments in Presidentship:

In 2019 Donald Trump becomes the first sitting US President to visit the Democratic People's Republic of Korea (North Korea).

[Matt]

I can understand your dislike of Mr. Bolton. Your antipathy toward Mr. Flake is a little surprising, however.

Flake's actions in the Kavanaugh FBI matter are disqualifying.

[TC Talks]

Under your own logic, your dissent of Donald Trump disqualifies your opinion here.

This is where blind faith in an idiot leads to failure in the "lockstep" GOP. None of the names being floated have enough brand strength to beat an incumbent with no significant leadership failures.

[bmw]

The republicans splitting into 2 parties would seal the fate of our country - that of one run exclusively by Democrats for decades to come.

No thanks.

[Honeyman]

The republicans splitting into 2 parties would seal the fate of our country - that of one run exclusively by Democrats for decades to come.

No thanks.

I agree with beemer completely again. Republicans have to somehow phase Trump out, with out him creating a firestorm while he exits.....and therein lies the rub. Unless he goes to the great beyond, the GOP is in a heap of trouble. I can see the Republicans regaining the House and Senate in 2022, but unless Trump is out of the picture, they won't get the White House back soon.

However, do not underestimate the possibility of the Democrats doing the work to sabotage themselves. Some of the fools in the progressive wing, the uncertainty of Biden's health, etc. Seems like no party really wins elections any more, one of them loses it.

[bmw]

Trump is going to have to leave on his own terms - it may simply be a matter of deciding not to run in 2024 (which I personally am NOT convinced that he intends to run). If his followers feel he was forced out, that will have nearly the same outcome as would splitting the party in half. Or if Trump does decide to run in 2024, he needs to figure out a way to get past 2020 and not make that a focal point of his rallies.

At the end of the day though, this isn't really about Trump. It is about all of his voters, and in particular, the 50 million or so Americans who believe the election was stolen. I don't know how you convince those people otherwise. I have a few of them in my family, and there's just no convincing them through logic or reason that Biden won fair and square. Believe me, I've tried. And these are people who are generally rational on other things. But they've convinced themselves as a factual matter that voter fraud was so widespread as to affect the outcome of the election.

[Honeyman]

Trump is going to have to leave on his own terms - it may simply be a matter of deciding not to run in 2024 (which I personally am NOT convinced that he intends to run). If his followers feel he was forced out, that will have nearly the same outcome as would splitting the party in half. Or if Trump does decide to run in 2024, he needs to figure out a way to get past 2020 and not make that a focal point of his rallies.

At the end of the day though, this isn't really about Trump. It is about all of his voters, and in particular, the 50 million or so Americans who believe the election was stolen. I don't know how you convince those people otherwise. I have a few of them in my family, and there's just no convincing them through logic or reason that Biden won fair and square. Believe me, I've tried. And these are people who are generally rational on other things. But they've convinced themselves as a factual matter that voter fraud was so widespread as to affect the outcome of the election.

The fact that the number is that high is what is so disconcerting about this. It's not just a small offshoot of conspiracy driven Q-Anon loons.