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Rollback on restrictions isn't working

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Rollback on restrictions isn't working

Post by TC Talks » Tue Apr 06, 2021 6:18 pm

Michigan now is the worst state for virus spread. It's time to put the restrictions back in place and get us back to where we were in February.
But during that period, states also rolled back virus control measures, and now mobility data shows a rise in people socializing and traveling. Amid all this, more-contagious variants have been gaining a foothold, and new cases are almost 20 percent higher than they were at the lowest point in March.

“It is a pretty complex situation, because behavior is changing, but you’ve also got this change in the virus itself at the same time,” said Emily Martin, an epidemiologist at the University of Michigan School of Public Health.

Cases are up in states with strong variant presence.
Michigan has seen the sharpest rise in cases in the last few weeks. B.1.1.7 — the more transmissible and more deadly variant of the coronavirus that was first discovered in the United Kingdom — may now make up around 70 percent of all of the state’s new cases, according to the Helix data.
NYTimes


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Re: Rollback on restrictions isn't working

Post by Rate This » Tue Apr 06, 2021 6:38 pm

TC Talks wrote:
Tue Apr 06, 2021 6:18 pm
Michigan now is the worst state for virus spread. It's time to put the restrictions back in place and get us back to where we were in February.
But during that period, states also rolled back virus control measures, and now mobility data shows a rise in people socializing and traveling. Amid all this, more-contagious variants have been gaining a foothold, and new cases are almost 20 percent higher than they were at the lowest point in March.

“It is a pretty complex situation, because behavior is changing, but you’ve also got this change in the virus itself at the same time,” said Emily Martin, an epidemiologist at the University of Michigan School of Public Health.

Cases are up in states with strong variant presence.
Michigan has seen the sharpest rise in cases in the last few weeks. B.1.1.7 — the more transmissible and more deadly variant of the coronavirus that was first discovered in the United Kingdom — may now make up around 70 percent of all of the state’s new cases, according to the Helix data.
NYTimes
I agree but I’m afraid the horse is out of the barn. Driving around Ann Arbor today looks like any day I’ve ever seen pre-pandemic. It’s notably busy everywhere.



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Re: Rollback on restrictions isn't working

Post by TC Talks » Tue Apr 06, 2021 6:40 pm

That is why my kid isn't in Ann Arbor right now. But it is bad everywhere. Our County preemptively shut down the school systems because the drive up instant test on Monday demonstrated many kids came back from spring break infected.

This time it's putting people in their 30s and 40s in the hospital. Let's see how this pans out for those who haven't gotten vaccinated yet.


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Re: Rollback on restrictions isn't working

Post by Matt » Tue Apr 06, 2021 7:57 pm

Rate This wrote:
Tue Apr 06, 2021 6:38 pm
TC Talks wrote:
Tue Apr 06, 2021 6:18 pm
Michigan now is the worst state for virus spread. It's time to put the restrictions back in place and get us back to where we were in February.
But during that period, states also rolled back virus control measures, and now mobility data shows a rise in people socializing and traveling. Amid all this, more-contagious variants have been gaining a foothold, and new cases are almost 20 percent higher than they were at the lowest point in March.

“It is a pretty complex situation, because behavior is changing, but you’ve also got this change in the virus itself at the same time,” said Emily Martin, an epidemiologist at the University of Michigan School of Public Health.

Cases are up in states with strong variant presence.
Michigan has seen the sharpest rise in cases in the last few weeks. B.1.1.7 — the more transmissible and more deadly variant of the coronavirus that was first discovered in the United Kingdom — may now make up around 70 percent of all of the state’s new cases, according to the Helix data.
NYTimes
I agree but I’m afraid the horse is out of the barn. Driving around Ann Arbor today looks like any day I’ve ever seen pre-pandemic. It’s notably busy everywhere.
You are both wrong, even Whitmer is admitting that the restrictions were very shortsighted. She is saying the issue is we delayed enough people getting antibodies.



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Re: Rollback on restrictions isn't working

Post by MasterB » Tue Apr 06, 2021 9:04 pm

Lockdowns don't work and data is proving it plus you can't prove that eating out or going to movies is causing the uptick in the COVID numbers. I think the big thing is COVID out it's been a year at this point everyone knows it's a risk just got to live and deal with it since there is light at the end of the tunnel now with the vaccine. And I have no problem with those that want to stay home until COVID is gone at this point it is a personal choice.


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Re: Rollback on restrictions isn't working

Post by Bryce » Tue Apr 06, 2021 9:05 pm

Meanwhile, back on the wide open ranch...
Texas COVID-19 Cases Down More Than 12% In Last 2 Weeks
https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2021/03/30/tex ... ases-down/


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Post by RayQix » Tue Apr 06, 2021 9:26 pm

Bryce wrote:Meanwhile, back on the wide open ranch...
Texas COVID-19 Cases Down More Than 12% In Last 2 Weeks
https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2021/03/30/tex ... ases-down/
What are they doing that we aren’t..... aside from the weather is warmer there and the people are spread out more (maybe)


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Re: Rollback on restrictions isn't working

Post by Bryce » Tue Apr 06, 2021 9:33 pm

RayQix wrote:
Tue Apr 06, 2021 9:26 pm
Bryce wrote:Meanwhile, back on the wide open ranch...
Texas COVID-19 Cases Down More Than 12% In Last 2 Weeks
https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2021/03/30/tex ... ases-down/
What are they doing that we aren’t..... aside from the weather is warmer there and the people are spread out more (maybe)


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Less draconian and shorter time frame of lockdowns? I'm sure their higher degree of sunlight, which provides the best source of vitamin D, has something to do with it too.

I was on a job in Florida and spent a couple of days working on a very populated nude beach, not one person that I talked to had gotten Covid-19. It was rather amusing seeing people without a stitch on yet wearing a mask. Keep in mind Florida had some of the weakest restrictions in place of all the states.


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Re: Rollback on restrictions isn't working

Post by Matt » Tue Apr 06, 2021 9:37 pm

Bryce wrote:
Tue Apr 06, 2021 9:33 pm
RayQix wrote:
Tue Apr 06, 2021 9:26 pm
Bryce wrote:Meanwhile, back on the wide open ranch...
Texas COVID-19 Cases Down More Than 12% In Last 2 Weeks
https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2021/03/30/tex ... ases-down/
What are they doing that we aren’t..... aside from the weather is warmer there and the people are spread out more (maybe)


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Less draconian and shorter time frame of lockdowns? I'm sure their higher degree of sunlight, which provides the best source of vitamin D, has something to do with it too.

I was on a job in Florida and spent a couple of days working on on a very populated nude beach, not one person that I talked to had gotten Covid-19. It was rather amusing seeing people without a stitch on yet wearing a mask. Keep in mind Florida had some of the weakest restrictions in place of all the states.
If stereotypes of nude beachgoers are accurate, they aren't necessarily specimens of health either.



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Re: Rollback on restrictions isn't working

Post by Bryce » Tue Apr 06, 2021 9:42 pm

Matt wrote:
Tue Apr 06, 2021 9:37 pm
If stereotypes of nude beachgoers are accurate, they aren't necessarily specimens of health either.
I think the older fat people are what populate and are members of most of the nudist clubs.

This public beach was pretty much a cross section of society. About the same demographic you would see, at say, Somerset Mall. Much better and healthier than the folks you would see at a Walmart.

Met two single girls from Iowa who were very pleasant to talk to AND look at. It was their first time at a nude beach. They hated the crowd and people at the party beach and decided to try this one. They loved it and were going to try and talk their friends into coming the next day.

Sad to say, I think things that people in reasonable health have complete control over, diet, exercise, sunlight/vitamin D and sleep have much more to do with who contracts this thing than any other single thing. If I'm not mistaken Michigan is near the top of the list when it comes to obesity.


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Re: Rollback on restrictions isn't working

Post by TC Talks » Tue Apr 06, 2021 10:25 pm

Obesity rates in the US...

And Texas has dismal mortality rates.

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Re: Rollback on restrictions isn't working

Post by SoutheastMIViewer » Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:19 pm

TC Talks wrote:
Tue Apr 06, 2021 6:18 pm
Michigan now is the worst state for virus spread. It's time to put the restrictions back in place and get us back to where we were in February.
But during that period, states also rolled back virus control measures, and now mobility data shows a rise in people socializing and traveling. Amid all this, more-contagious variants have been gaining a foothold, and new cases are almost 20 percent higher than they were at the lowest point in March.

“It is a pretty complex situation, because behavior is changing, but you’ve also got this change in the virus itself at the same time,” said Emily Martin, an epidemiologist at the University of Michigan School of Public Health.

Cases are up in states with strong variant presence.
Michigan has seen the sharpest rise in cases in the last few weeks. B.1.1.7 — the more transmissible and more deadly variant of the coronavirus that was first discovered in the United Kingdom — may now make up around 70 percent of all of the state’s new cases, according to the Helix data.
NYTimes

Michigan has more restrictions now than other states. That means restrictions are not working and should remove them and follow states that have lower numbers than Michigan.



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Re: Rollback on restrictions isn't working

Post by MotorCityRadioFreak » Thu Apr 08, 2021 1:04 pm

Florida and Texas can do outdoor dining, and we can't most of the spring. Makes a big difference.


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Re: Rollback on restrictions isn't working

Post by Matt » Thu Apr 08, 2021 2:20 pm

MotorCityRadioFreak wrote:
Thu Apr 08, 2021 1:04 pm
Florida and Texas can do outdoor dining, and we can't most of the spring. Makes a big difference.
How many times do you have to hear: Restaurants. Are. Not. The. Problem.

The problem, as even Whitmer is now subtly admitting, is the fact that we had a first shutdown that went too long AND the fact that we even had a second shutdown.



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Re: Rollback on restrictions isn't working

Post by Bidengirl » Thu Apr 08, 2021 3:43 pm

Restricting people's rights is a terrible way to solve anything.

Number one, it's unconstitutional, illegal, and morally wrong to impose your will on another human being. Slavery is wrong because it restricts that person's God-given rights. Yes, God-given. Not government-given. The government is supposed to protect rights, not grant or take them away. You can thank your public education for never hearing that truth before.

Rape is forcing someone to do something they don't want to do sexually. It's the same to force someone to do something they don't want to do non-sexually.

Respect the rights of others to make their own decisions. If you're too scared to go in public for fear of getting sick, don't go out. If you're mature enough to take calculated precautions, got for it. I'm 100% in favor of people who willingly wear masks. I'll never demand someone wearing one to take it off. It's none of my business. I'm mature enough to allow others to make their own decisions. They're not my responsibility. If someone isn't wearing a mask, I won't demand that they put one on, only say what I approve, or believe the way I do.

I won't even demand people wear clothes. There's nothing "wrong" with the human body. Nothing. Those teaching that nudity and sex is wrong are those that rape kids behind the confessional. The human body is beautiful, not sinful.



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