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Joe Biden Plans On Taking $800.00 From Me

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Re: Joe Biden Plans On Taking $800.00 From Me

Post by Rate This » Tue Nov 24, 2020 2:23 pm

Bryce wrote:
Tue Nov 24, 2020 1:14 pm
Lester The Nightfly wrote:
Tue Nov 24, 2020 12:48 pm
Perhaps having a tool that is easy to execute and adjudicate would help. A thousand times a day cops ask for proof of insurance if there is a driving violation. No insurance? You broke the law and should be held accountable. Same for firearms.

Again, it's an additional tool. Remember why Al Capone got sent to prison? Hint: It wasn't for murder.
Perhaps the legal system should use the tools they have more efficiently.

For example:
TROY, MI – On Tuesday November 3rd, 2020, at 4:45 PM. Troy Police Officers responded to reports of a verbal altercation at the Somerset Collection South, located at 2801 West Big Beaver Road, where a handgun had been implied.

Upon arrival the officers located the three male suspects exiting the Neiman Marcus store. Officers made contact with the suspects and started to inquire about the altercation.

When officers requested to conduct a search for weapons on one of the suspects, the man fled from officers on foot. The suspect ran down the escalators at which point he lost his footing and fell to the floor. As the subject fell, officers observed a handgun fall from the subject’s waistband. Officers secured the weapon and continued pursuit of the suspect on foot.

He was taken into custody by officers in the westbound lanes of Big Beaver and transported to the Troy Police Lock-up Facility. The handgun recovered from the suspect was found to be reported stolen out of Jackson in 2018.

Trimble was arraigned at 52-4 District Court on November 5th with bond set at $100,000 cash or surety. Trimble was arrested in March 2020 for charges related to allegedly shooting at a girlfriend and another man in Warren.
Why was Mr. Trimble running around loose after shooting at two people in March? Does that make any sense?

Now,

Take the shooting in the parking lot at Somerset Mall a few weeks back. I mentioned it earlier in this thread.

The suspect arrested was one Mr. Jermaine Marzell Jones. Mrl Jones was arrested and charged with possession of a firearm by a felon, felony firearm second offense, carrying a concealed weapon and reckless use of a firearm.

Here's the kicker, Mr. Jones was released from prison in July of 2020. He served four years for assault with intent to do great bodily harm Less than Murder and felony firearm. Both plea deals. Less than four months later he is involved in a shooting at Somerset Mall. Maybe the system should have kept him longer? Was his parole officer keeping tabs on him?

Don't make me jump through hoops when people like Mr. Jones aren't going to. I've already been through background checks both at the federal and state level. I have to do so every five years.
You can make the exact same arguments about cars, drivers licenses and car insurance.



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Re: Joe Biden Plans On Taking $800.00 From Me

Post by Bryce » Tue Nov 24, 2020 2:41 pm

Rate This wrote:
Tue Nov 24, 2020 2:23 pm

You can make the exact same arguments about cars, drivers licenses and car insurance.
Which amendment was it that enshrined my right to keep and drive automobiles? Or, even hoses for that matter?

According to our Secretary of State, a drivers license is a privilege, not a right.


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Re: Joe Biden Plans On Taking $800.00 From Me

Post by Rate This » Tue Nov 24, 2020 2:45 pm

Bryce wrote:
Tue Nov 24, 2020 2:41 pm
Rate This wrote:
Tue Nov 24, 2020 2:23 pm

You can make the exact same arguments about cars, drivers licenses and car insurance.
Which amendment was it that enshrined my right to keep and drive automobiles? Or, even hoses for that matter?

According to our Secretary of State, a drivers license is a privilege, not a right.
That’s fine. It’s also entirely irrelevant to the discussion here.



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Re: Joe Biden Plans On Taking $800.00 From Me

Post by Bryce » Tue Nov 24, 2020 2:51 pm

Rate This wrote:
Tue Nov 24, 2020 2:45 pm

That’s fine. It’s also entirely irrelevant to the discussion here.
Well sure it is. You were implying that gun ownership should be treated like car ownership.


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Post by Bryce » Tue Nov 24, 2020 3:09 pm

Here's another example from today's Detroit News...
Detroit — A 41-year-old Detroit man facing murder and gun charges in a Nov. 8 homicide in southwest Detroit will remain jailed as his case proceeds, court records show.

Erasmo Diaz was arraigned at Detroit's 36th District Court on four charges: first-degree murder, two counts of felony firearm, and being a felon in possession of a firearm.

Diaz was arrested after a 34-year-old man was found shot Nov. 8 in a blue Ford Ranger on the 2400 block of Cicotte. That's south of Michigan Avenue and west of Livernois.

Diaz's felony record in Wayne County stretches back to 1996, when he pleaded guilty to carrying a concealed weapon. The assistant Wayne County prosecutor on that case, court records show, was current Michigan Attorney General Dana Nessel.
Would new laws and regulations alter the behavior of Mr. Diaz?


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Re: Joe Biden Plans On Taking $800.00 From Me

Post by Lester The Nightfly » Tue Nov 24, 2020 3:11 pm

Bryce wrote:
Tue Nov 24, 2020 2:51 pm
Rate This wrote:
Tue Nov 24, 2020 2:45 pm

That’s fine. It’s also entirely irrelevant to the discussion here.
Well sure it is. You were implying that gun ownership should be treated like car ownership.
Actually we're talking about the liability of it. Nobody's taking away your guns, we're just advocating if you choose to exercise that right, you also take financial responsibility for that right.



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Post by MotorCityRadioFreak » Tue Nov 24, 2020 6:04 pm

The key thing that conservatives forget is that the 2nd amendment was set in motion when people owned muskets, not AR-15s. Guns were also needed as pesky British loyalists kept harassing Americans until 1812. At the absolute most, the Framers would approve pistols and maybe old fashioned hunting rifles.


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Re: Joe Biden Plans On Taking $800.00 From Me

Post by Rate This » Tue Nov 24, 2020 6:07 pm

Lester The Nightfly wrote:
Tue Nov 24, 2020 3:11 pm
Bryce wrote:
Tue Nov 24, 2020 2:51 pm
Rate This wrote:
Tue Nov 24, 2020 2:45 pm

That’s fine. It’s also entirely irrelevant to the discussion here.
Well sure it is. You were implying that gun ownership should be treated like car ownership.
Actually we're talking about the liability of it. Nobody's taking away your guns, we're just advocating if you choose to exercise that right, you also take financial responsibility for that right.
Bingo. We have a winner. Bryce, thanks for playing.



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Re: Joe Biden Plans On Taking $800.00 From Me

Post by Bryce » Tue Nov 24, 2020 6:18 pm

Lester The Nightfly wrote:
Tue Nov 24, 2020 3:11 pm
Bryce wrote:
Tue Nov 24, 2020 2:51 pm
Rate This wrote:
Tue Nov 24, 2020 2:45 pm

That’s fine. It’s also entirely irrelevant to the discussion here.
Well sure it is. You were implying that gun ownership should be treated like car ownership.
Actually we're talking about the liability of it. Nobody's taking away your guns, we're just advocating if you choose to exercise that right, you also take financial responsibility for that right.
So in essence, you will be taking guns away from poor people. People that can't afford the additional insurance that I carry nor the 800.00 good old Uncle Joe is going to charge me. The people that live in areas that the whack jobs are also defunding police departments and violent crime is through the roof because of government policy and being committed by people that I don't care how many laws you write aren't going to follow them.

Not to be snarky, but yeah, that's well thought out.


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Re: Joe Biden Plans On Taking $800.00 From Me

Post by Lester The Nightfly » Tue Nov 24, 2020 6:59 pm

Bryce wrote:
Tue Nov 24, 2020 6:18 pm
Lester The Nightfly wrote:
Tue Nov 24, 2020 3:11 pm
Bryce wrote:
Tue Nov 24, 2020 2:51 pm
Rate This wrote:
Tue Nov 24, 2020 2:45 pm

That’s fine. It’s also entirely irrelevant to the discussion here.
Well sure it is. You were implying that gun ownership should be treated like car ownership.
Actually we're talking about the liability of it. Nobody's taking away your guns, we're just advocating if you choose to exercise that right, you also take financial responsibility for that right.
So in essence, you will be taking guns away from poor people. People that can't afford the additional insurance that I carry nor the 800.00 good old Uncle Joe is going to charge me. The people that live in areas that the whack jobs are also defunding police departments and violent crime is through the roof because of government policy and being committed by people that I don't care how many laws you write aren't going to follow them.

Not to be snarky, but yeah, that's well thought out.
BREAKING NEWS: The poor have always been shit on with respect to their constitutional rights. Ever have a look at the justice system? Odd you only seem to give a fuck when your interests align.



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Re: Joe Biden Plans On Taking $800.00 From Me

Post by Rate This » Tue Nov 24, 2020 7:34 pm

Bryce wrote:
Tue Nov 24, 2020 6:18 pm
Lester The Nightfly wrote:
Tue Nov 24, 2020 3:11 pm
Bryce wrote:
Tue Nov 24, 2020 2:51 pm
Rate This wrote:
Tue Nov 24, 2020 2:45 pm

That’s fine. It’s also entirely irrelevant to the discussion here.
Well sure it is. You were implying that gun ownership should be treated like car ownership.
Actually we're talking about the liability of it. Nobody's taking away your guns, we're just advocating if you choose to exercise that right, you also take financial responsibility for that right.
So in essence, you will be taking guns away from poor people. People that can't afford the additional insurance that I carry nor the 800.00 good old Uncle Joe is going to charge me. The people that live in areas that the whack jobs are also defunding police departments and violent crime is through the roof because of government policy and being committed by people that I don't care how many laws you write aren't going to follow them.

Not to be snarky, but yeah, that's well thought out.
BULLETIN:
The poor also drive and pay more than $800 in 6 months for car insurance. This could be $800 in 6 months or a year. It could be made in easy monthly payments. Your logic is on land in the Pacific Northwest prone to slides...



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Re: Joe Biden Plans On Taking $800.00 From Me

Post by Bryce » Tue Nov 24, 2020 7:41 pm

Lester The Nightfly wrote:
Tue Nov 24, 2020 6:59 pm

BREAKING NEWS: The poor have always been shit on with respect to their constitutional rights. Ever have a look at the justice system?
I agree with you wholeheartedly. It was and is, in many ways, still broken.

The biggest travesty took place with the Bill Clinton 1994 crime bill, which was wholeheartedly supported by Joe Biden. It resulted in the mass incarceration of poor, black people, at levels never seen before. Thank God, Donald Trump ushered a new bill through Congress to replace it.

Our system of government isn't perfect. But trust me, compared to the other systems out there, we are truly the shining example on the hill. I've seen first hand how other countries work and treat their populace. Places like Kosovo, Syria and Iraq. Trust me, people aren't risking their lives to sneak into those countries. People were risking their lives to leave.


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Re: Joe Biden Plans On Taking $800.00 From Me

Post by MotorCityRadioFreak » Tue Nov 24, 2020 8:21 pm

I love how Trumpers pretend to care about the poor when they supported an administration who ignored the poor while giving tax breaks to conglomerates while we pick up the $2 rebate on energy bills.


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Post by Bryce » Tue Nov 24, 2020 8:24 pm

MotorCityRadioFreak wrote:
Tue Nov 24, 2020 8:21 pm
I love how Trumpers pretend to care about the poor when they supported an administration who ignored the poor while giving tax breaks to conglomerates while we pick up the $2 rebate on energy bills.
How much did you donate to charity in 2019?


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Post by MotorCityRadioFreak » Tue Nov 24, 2020 8:26 pm

When someone makes under 25K for the year, they can't exactly afford to give much. I did give to my university.


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