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The Fox soon WCMU

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Who is trying to grow in Northern Mid Michigan? It's a rim shot in any relevant market.

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As far as relocation possibilities, I spent a few hours the other day investigating that, mainly on paper. And possibilities of other tower lease problems. Let me say that a few of you are on the right track. But there are also other possibilities you may have overlooked to solve some of your concerns...

Of course, there's the overall decline of radio, which affects all markets and all licensees/owners.
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Let’s keep in mind that existing contracts only apply to the existing owner. A buyer of a radio station can choose which existing contracts to pick up and which ones to reject. At least that’s my understanding. So a new buyer to WFDX Is not burdened by the existing tower contract. Or am I missing something?
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50kW if it allows the tower to be moved west might make sense. I can't see anyone jumping to get into the Alpena make.

I would imagine NBI built the sale agreement to be favorable for an exit plan.
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Most of the speculation in the above is assuming the signal can be downgraded and moved. Try this one for size... it can't. It is what it is. One big signal in the middle of the state, with a lofty power bill and tower rental agreement. The only way it can work is if it rolls under an existing operator -- commercial or non-comm -- who already has the infrastructure in place to absorb the initial expenses. And I think Metalhead is right; even for a non-comm, the donation pool is pretty small, and I think headcount at 250k is a bit lofty, given most of the population is on the fringes to the east and west edges of the signal.

And, by the way, a radio station for sale without a tower lease in place is worth less than one with a tower site with an expensive one.
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You may be right that they could stay there one way or another.

But when there's a will there's a way.

I myself told a few people that something couldn't be done, and it spurred this one particular consultant to find a way, and he did. And no, it wasn't Dave Schaberg (RIP). It was nowhere near that complicated. One or two others involved fancy footwork. But they went through. It is true also that the powerful radio people would attempt to stop it, no matter how simple. One even tried to argue that RITOIE from a diplex would interfere with his station.
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MWmetalhead wrote: Thu Dec 12, 2019 8:28 am Here's an illustrative non-comm valuation scenario:

Let's say WFDX reaches 250,000 persons with its grade B contour.

Of those 250,000 persons, maybe 5 percent cume this theoretical station on a regular basis? OK - so, now we're at 12,500 persons.

Of those 12,500 persons, maybe 10 percent donate annually? OK - so, now we're at 1,250 persons.

Maybe the average annual pledge per person is $100? OK, so that gives us $125,000 in annual revenue. That doesn't leave much room for positive cash flow. The operator would almost certainly need to be someone who doesn't need a separate studio or any add'l staff.
Grade B? The 60 dBu is 175,000 persons and the 60 dBu is garbage in important cities like Petoskey due to terrain. For listener support purposes you would lucky if it reached 150,000 persons. Your math isn't terrible MW, but use 150,000 pop.
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This is a lot of brainpower trying to ascertain a radio station stuck in the middle of nowhere, that hasn't -- to anyone's recollection -- generated profit from the signal... ever. Non-comm guys these days pay $1 per head when it comes to legit population headcount. That was once an AM's headcount value a decade ago. It used to be $1 for AM and $3 for FM, with the religious guys willing to pay $2 for a FM. Headcount doesn't mean much these days; especially in an over-radioed area such as the western side of Northern Michigan. FXD, best case scenario, might fetch $150k when it sells. But, even then, whomever buys it, has to be prepared to lose money for at least a year or two... and wouldn't dare run it as a stand-alone.
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