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Winter P2 Arbitrends (Updated: 03-27-19)Grand Rapids

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Winter P2 Arbitrends (Updated: 03-27-19)Grand Rapids

Post by sand2dunes » Thu Mar 28, 2019 2:05 pm

Winter P2 Arbitrends (Updated: 03-27-19) Grand Rapids
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Re: Winter P2 Arbitrends (Updated: 03-27-19)Grand Rapids

Post by CK-722 » Thu Mar 28, 2019 3:09 pm

Why is Cumulus N/A MIA?

What if if the WNWZ format went from the translator to one of the Class As Townsquare has? Much bigger ratings but hard to sell in GR? In 1979, WDZZ Flint signed on and was #1 the first book out. I don't remember it being less than #3 since. Occasionally WCRZ is #1. Before someone from "WCST" comments, one of the second generation Bells told me that they didn't apply for the GR Area Docket 80-90 Class As for that very reason. Probably why Vern Merritt didn't apply either.


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Re: Winter P2 Arbitrends (Updated: 03-27-19)Grand Rapids

Post by MWmetalhead » Thu Mar 28, 2019 7:01 pm

I believe Cumulus is either a non-subscriber or only pays for a partial subscription.


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WBCT programming question...

Post by cckadlec » Sat Mar 30, 2019 8:18 am

While trying not to start a new thread for a basic question, I am trying to distinguish between B93 Sheboygan and B93 Grand Rapids here -- a regular pain in my ass!!

I'm working on a past bandscan from Door County from last summer. Grand Rapids is usually quite dominant there and all the usual GR stations were in at the time as well, but the site also has a water path to Milwaukee, etc. and down the shore where the usual big ones on that stretch are also common (99.1, 103.7, 100.7, 96.9, 98.1, 98.7, etc.), but I'd rather be more sure on this than just assume.

The most I could get from 93.7 (as I was in a tad of a rush with so many stations) was "20 in a row on B93!".

Sound familiar to anyone who has listened to WBCT? Their website only offers contact to a few DJs who obviously don't work weekends, so I figured with all you radio dorks who are into these little details, might as well ask here.


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Re: Winter P2 Arbitrends (Updated: 03-27-19)Grand Rapids

Post by MWmetalhead » Sat Mar 30, 2019 8:21 am

Yes - you likely were hearing WBCT.


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Re: Winter P2 Arbitrends (Updated: 03-27-19)Grand Rapids

Post by cckadlec » Sat Mar 30, 2019 9:18 am

:razz I purposely posted here figuring you were the one most likely to know this detail. Thanks!

I've been working on typing out my Lake Huron and Lake Michigan scans (the only two of the five lakes remaining and Huron is done now). WBCT is basically... omnipresent. It's just in nearly every scan. Like AM stations, ridiculously high power does little good closer to the tower, but packs a punch at greater distances.

In Korea, my 750kw and 1500kw AM locals just 15 or 30 miles away would regularly face interference from other stations in the region. But those same local stations could be heard dominant across the whole freaking globe every night. The distance helps, but closer to the towers... they're vulnerable. B93 is my local here, but I can still hear other stations (a tad troublesome, but possible), but further away, it's always there. In the UP, Wisconsin, Ontario, Illinois, Indiana, Ohio, etc.

But B93 vs. other-B93 makes me crazy. Like 99.5 now with FIVE country stations on the frequency and nothing else. Yes FM used to mix it up, but at 1.3kw (seemingly permanently now), they barely get out of the Soo even in good conditions.


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Re: Winter P2 Arbitrends (Updated: 03-27-19)Grand Rapids

Post by zackeast » Sat Mar 30, 2019 2:25 pm

CK-722 wrote:
Thu Mar 28, 2019 3:09 pm
Why is Cumulus N/A MIA?
Probably because of all of the format changes in the Winter. Too many stations moved within their group to give an accurate depiction of what matters.



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Re: Winter P2 Arbitrends (Updated: 03-27-19)Grand Rapids

Post by MWmetalhead » Sat Mar 30, 2019 4:44 pm

This began long before the format changes took place.


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Re: Winter P2 Arbitrends (Updated: 03-27-19)Grand Rapids

Post by ftballfan » Mon Apr 01, 2019 12:35 pm

cckadlec wrote:
Sat Mar 30, 2019 9:18 am
:razz I purposely posted here figuring you were the one most likely to know this detail. Thanks!

I've been working on typing out my Lake Huron and Lake Michigan scans (the only two of the five lakes remaining and Huron is done now). WBCT is basically... omnipresent. It's just in nearly every scan. Like AM stations, ridiculously high power does little good closer to the tower, but packs a punch at greater distances.

In Korea, my 750kw and 1500kw AM locals just 15 or 30 miles away would regularly face interference from other stations in the region. But those same local stations could be heard dominant across the whole freaking globe every night. The distance helps, but closer to the towers... they're vulnerable. B93 is my local here, but I can still hear other stations (a tad troublesome, but possible), but further away, it's always there. In the UP, Wisconsin, Ontario, Illinois, Indiana, Ohio, etc.

But B93 vs. other-B93 makes me crazy. Like 99.5 now with FIVE country stations on the frequency and nothing else. Yes FM used to mix it up, but at 1.3kw (seemingly permanently now), they barely get out of the Soo even in good conditions.
Throw in a third 93.7 that is country but at least has a different slogan. Have you ever gotten the classic hits 99.5 in Negaunee? That comes in very rarely in Manistee



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Re: Winter P2 Arbitrends (Updated: 03-27-19)Grand Rapids

Post by cckadlec » Mon Apr 01, 2019 1:07 pm

ftballfan wrote:
Mon Apr 01, 2019 12:35 pm
Throw in a third 93.7 that is country but at least has a different slogan. Have you ever gotten the classic hits 99.5 in Negaunee? That comes in very rarely in Manistee
Northwoods and Marquette stations cannot be received south of Big Sable Point and downtown Ludington, aside from some holdouts that are common at Silver Lake. It just doesn't happen short of the perfect intense tropo, which rarely occurs to the north. The single exception is FXD. Of course, with my Lake Superior bandscan series, I've gotten 99.5 plenty of times as it is common on the north shore, but never down here, not even at my Ludington and Manistee sites I believe. My Charlevoix site though, is different and Mackinac as well.

I'm nearly done typing out my Lake Michigan scans; just have Saugatuck and Indiana Dunes left. Since you mention it, I'll post my Manistee one below. I was a little bit in a rush on that day, so I only took a basic scan (i.e. on the car radio), so no signal levels and it is missing any weaker stations I'd hear on the portable, but I'm still pleased with it overall. I'll surely do a detailed one this upcoming summer since it's only a two hour drive from here.

MANISTEE, MICHIGAN BANDSCAN (BASIC)
May 27, 2018 0930-1115 / 65° & 77°F, dense coastal fog
Location: 44°14'54.2"N 86°20'37.1"W (directional NW/SE)
Location: 44°14'49.0"N 86°20'34.6"W (directional NE/SW)
Location: 44°14'48.1"N 86°20'38.4"W (directional E/W)
Douglas Park (592 ft.) and First Street Beach (582 ft.)
138 stations total / Average distance: 100 mi.

88.1 WHID WI Green Bay / WPR Ideas / 17kw / RDS / perfect (81 mi.)
88.3 WSMZ MI Crystal Valley / Smile FM / 1.5kw / in (40 mi.)
*88.5 WPVM WI Sturgeon Bay / V. of the Master //102.7 / 15kw / perfect (68 mi.)
88.5 WIAB MI Mackinaw City / Classical IPR //88.7 / 50kw / very good (111 mi.)
*88.7 WIAA MI Interlochen / Classical IPR //88.5 / 100kw / perfect (31 mi.)
88.9 WVRN WI Wittenburg / VCY America / 25kw / perfect + 88.7 (140 mi.)
89.1 IBOC (WPNE)
89.3 WPNE WI Green Bay / WPR News & Classical / 97kw / RDS / perfect (83 mi.)
89.5 IBOC (WPNE) + 89.7
*89.7 WLMN MI Manistee / IPR News Radio / 15kw / RDS / perfect (11 mi.)
89.9 WLJN MI Traverse City / Christian / 100kw / RDS / very good (50 mi.)
89.9 WWSP WI Stevens Point / 90FM / 30kw / very good (165 mi.)
89.9 WVFL WI Fond du Lac / 1kw / VCY America / good (104 mi.)
90.1 WORQ WI Green Bay / Q90 FM / 18kw / RDS / perfect (81 mi.)
90.1 WVCS WI Owen / VCY America / 1.9kw / good (211 mi.)
90.1 WNMU MI Marquette / Public R. 90 / 100kw / very good (163 mi.)
90.3 WBLV MI Twin Lake / Blue Lake Public R. / 100kw / perfect (50 mi.)
*90.5 WPFF WI Sturgeon Bay / K-Love / 100kw / RDS / perfect (68 mi.)
90.7 WMVM WI Goodman / V. of the Master //102.7 / 9.3kw / good (146 mi.)
90.9 WHRM WI Wausau / WPR News & Classical / 81kw / very good (171 mi.)
90.9 WUPJ MI Escanaba / Strong Tower R. / 100kw / very good (126 mi.)
90.9 WYVM WI Sheboygan / V. of the Master //102.7 / 6.1kw / RDS / v. good (76 mi.)
*91.1 WOLW MI Cadillac / The Promise FM / 50kw / RDS / perfect (31 mi.)
91.3 WRMW WI Peshtigo / Radio Maria / 5.4kw / RDS / perfect (68 mi.)
*91.5 W218CY MI Manistee / Freedom R. FM / 19w / perfect (3 mi.)
91.7 WXPR WI Rhinelander / NPR Public / 100kw / very good (177 mi.)
91.7 WQQA WI Forestville / Radio 74 Internationale / 12kw / good (61 mi.)
*91.9 WGCP MI Cadillac / Strong Tower R. / 2.65kw / RDS / perfect (31 mi.)
92.1 WLTU WI Manitowoc / Hot Country / 3.7kw / perfect (64 mi.)
92.3 WJMQ WI Clintonville / Frog Country / 6kw / perfect (120 mi.)
92.5 WLAW MI Newaygo / Nash Icon / 2.25kw / good (68 mi.)
92.7 WAUN WI Kewaunee / La Más Grande / 6kw / perfect (64 mi.)
92.7 W224CA MI Ludington / Good Time Oldies //1450 / 160w / good (23 mi.)
92.9 WJZQ MI Cadillac / Z93 / 100kw / RDS / perfect (61 mi.)
93.1 WIMK MI Iron Mountain / 93 Rock / 100kw / RDS / perfect (137 mi.)
93.3 WLDB WI Milwaukee / B93.3 / 16kw / good (111 mi.)
93.3 WKQZ MI Midland / Z93 / 39kw / good + 93.1 (115 mi.)
*93.5 WGEE WI New London / Duke FM //99.7 / 50kw / RDS / perfect (111 mi.)
93.7 WBCT MI Grand Rapids / B93 / 320kw / very good (119 mi.)
93.7 WKAD MI Harrietta / The Ticket / 4.3kw / good (37 mi.)
*93.9 WDOR WI Sturgeon Bay / Full Service AC / 77kw / perfect! (68 mi.)
94.1 WWKR MI Hart / K-Rock / 5kw / perfect (40 mi.)
94.3 WZNL MI Norway / Star 94.3 / 2.55kw / RDS / perfect (137 mi.)
94.3 WFCX MI Leland / The Fox FM / 20.5kw / perfect (49 mi.)
94.3 WYDR WI Neenah-Menasha / Jack FM / 13kw / good behind (96 mi.)
94.5 WCEN MI Hemlock / The Moose / 100kw / perfect (94 mi.)
94.5 WTNR MI Holland / Nash FM / 50kw / very good (98 mi.)
94.7 WZOR WI Mishicot / Razor 94-7 / 21.5kw / RDS / perfect (72 mi.)
*94.9 WKZC MI Scottville / The Big Dog / 17kw / perfect (14 mi.)
*95.1 WLST WI Marinette / Cat Country / 100kw / RDS / perfect (86 mi.)
95.3 KGSL MN Winona / KG-95-3 / 11kw / perfect (265 mi.)
95.3 WGVS MI Whitehall / NPR Public / 2kw / good + 95.1 (62 mi.)
95.5 WGFE MI Glen Arbor / Rock 105 & 95.5 //105.1 / 21kw / perfect (43 mi.)
95.7 WCMB MI Oscoda / CMU Public R. / 25kw / good (142 mi.)
95.7 WRIT WI Milwaukee / Big FM / 34kw / RDS / good (112 mi.)
95.7 WLHT MI Grand Rapids / Mix 95.7 / 40kw / in + 95.5 (90 mi.)
95.9 WKSZ WI De Pere / Kiss FM / 4.5kw / very good (81 mi.)
95.9 WLJW MI Fife Lake / Fuel FM / 19kw / very good (61 mi.)
96.1 WHNN MI Bay City / My 96.1 / 100kw / very good (140 mi.)
96.1 WMAX MI Holland / ESPN 961 / 50kw / very good + 96.3 (101 mi.)
*96.3 WSFQ WI Peshtigo / Hits 96 / 49kw / RDS / perfect (95 mi.)
96.5 KWWK MN Rochester / Quick Country 96-5 / 43kw / perfect (310 mi.)
*96.7 WBDK WI Algoma / Relaxing Radio / 8kw / perfect (61 mi.)
96.7 WLXV MI Cadillac / The Bull / 7.2kw / perfect (40 mi.)
96.9 WLAV MI Grand Rapids / 97 LAV-FM / 20kw / perfect (95 mi.)
96.9 WWWX WI Oshkosh / The Fox / 6kw / behind (109 mi.)
97.1 WGLQ MI Escanaba / Magic 97 GLQ / 100kw / perfect (134 mi.)
97.3 WHDG WI Rhinelander / Hodag Country / 100kw / very good (160 mi.)
97.5 WKLT MI Kalkaska / KLT The Rock Sta. //98.9 / 32kw / good + 97.7 (66 mi.)
*97.7 WMLQ MI Manistee / News 97 & 98 //98.7 / 2.5kw / perfect (3 mi.)
97.9 WSPT WI Stevens Point / Classic Hits / 100kw / near perfect + 97.7 (162 mi.)
98.1 WLKN WI Cleveland / Lake 98.1 / 5.8kw / very good (73 mi.)
98.1 WGFN MI Glen Arbor / The Bear / 21kw / behind (43 mi.)
98.3 WLCS MI North Muskegon / Cl. Hits 98.3 / 1.6kw / good (65 mi.)
*98.5 WQLH WI Green Bay / Star 98 / 100kw / RDS / perfect (93 mi.)
98.7 WLDN MI Ludington / News 97 & 98 //97.7 / 5.5kw / perfect (23 mi.)
98.9 WEMP WI Two Rivers / Easy Listening / 6kw / perfect (73 mi.)
98.9 WVCX WI Tomah / VCY America / 100kw / good inland (206 mi.)
99.1 WIKB MI Iron River / True Country / 60kw / perfect! (167 mi.)
99.1 WMYX WI Milwaukee / The Mix / 50kw / very good (124 mi.)
99.3 WOWN WI Shawano / B99.3 / 14kw / RDS / perfect (104 mi.)
99.5 WPKR WI Omro / Nash FM / 25kw / perfect (119 mi.)
*99.7 WDKF WI Sturgeon Bay / Duke FM //93.5 / 46kw / RDS / perfect (69 mi.)
99.9 WSAU WI Rudolph / News/Talk 550 / 13kw / RDS / perfect + 99.7 (163 mi.)
100.1 WVIB MI Holton / V100 / 2.9kw / in + 99.9 (65 mi.)
100.1 WRHN WI Rhinelander / Jack FM / 100kw / in + 99.9 (177 mi.)
100.3 WNCY WI Neenah-Menasha / Y100 / 45kw / very good (92 mi.)
100.5 WDTX WI Rothschild / Sports Fan 100.5 / 25kw / good (173 mi.)
100.7 WOBE MI Crystal Falls / Radio Now / 100kw / RDS / perfect (137 mi.)
100.9 WLUN MI Pinconning / ESPN 100.9 / 2.6kw / behind 100.7 (115 mi.)
101.1 WIXX WI Green Bay / 101 WIXX / 96kw / RDS / perfect (83 mi.)
101.3 = 101.1 + 101.5
*101.5 WMTE MI Manistee / The Mitten / 6kw / RDS / perfect (3 mi.)
101.7 = 101.5
101.9 WDEZ WI Wausau / Country / 98.5kw / perfect (171 mi.)
101.9 WLDR MI Traverse City / The Bay / ↓100kw / good (48 mi.)
102.1 WRKU WI Forestville / More FM / 2.6kw / perfect (61 mi.)
102.1 KEEY MN St. Paul / K102 / 100kw / perfect (338 mi.)
102.3 WYBR MI Big Rapids / Y-102 / 10.5kw / perfect (54 mi.)
102.3 WQTC WI Manitowoc / Q102 / 4.5kw / good (64 mi.)
102.5 WCMM MI Gulliver / The Moose / 100kw / very good (119 mi.)
102.5 WIOG MI Bay City / CHR / 86kw / good (135 mi.)
102.7 WRVM WI Suring / Voice of the Master / 98kw / perfect, dominant (113 mi.)
102.7 WMOM MI Pentwater / MOM-FM / 6kw / perfect behind (26 mi.)
102.9 WMKC MI Indian River / Big Country Hits / 100kw / good + 102.7 (108 mi.)
102.9 WHQG WI Milwaukee / The Hog / 50kw / good + 102.7 (117 mi.)
103.1 WOGB WI Reedsville / Classic Hits / 3.6kw / RDS / perfect! (81 mi.)
103.3 WGLX WI Wisconsin Rapids / Cl. Rock 103.3 / 100kw / RDS / per. (175 mi.)
103.3 WFXD MI Marquette / 103-FXD / 100kw / very good (174 mi.)
*103.5 WTCM MI Traverse City / Country //93.5 / 100kw / RDS / perfect (35 mi.)
103.7 WHYB MI Menominee / Cl. Hits 103.7 / 13kw / RDS / perfect (86 mi.)
103.9 WVBO WI Winneconne / Classic Hits / 24.95kw / good (106 mi.)
103.9 WCMW MI Harbor Springs / CMU Public R. / 12kw / good (108 mi.)
103.9 WLCV-LP MI Ludington / Ludington Catholic Voice / 58w / in (21 mi.)
104.1 WRLU WI Algoma / Cl. Country / 2.4kw / perfect! (61 mi.)
104.3 WKZG WI Seymour / KZ 104.3 / 5.6kw / RDS / perfect (100 mi.)
104.5 WAXX WI Eau Claire / Country / 100kw / perfect (229 mi.)
104.7 WYKX MI Escanaba / KX Country / 100kw / perfect (125 mi.)
104.9 WPCK WI Denmark / Nash FM / 10kw / perfect (72 mi.)
105.1 WSBW WI Ephraim / The Viking / 3.1kw / perfect (77 mi.)
105.1 WGFM MI Cheboygan / Rock 105 & 95.5 //95.5 / 43kw / good (101 mi.)
105.3 WRLO WI Antigo / Classic Rock / 100kw / perfect (157 mi.)
105.5 WSRJ MI Honor / ESPN N. Mich. //106.7 / 17kw / very good (39 mi.)
105.5 WLJY WI Nekoosa / Y105.5 / 6kw / very good (184 mi.)
*105.7 WAPL WI Appleton / Rock / 100kw / RDS / perfect (81 mi.)
105.9 WKHQ MI Charlevoix / 106 KHQ / 100kw / good + 105.7 (89 mi.)
106.1 WMIL WI Waukesha / FM 106.1 / 12kw / very good (111 mi.)
106.1 WJXQ MI Charlotte / Q106 / 49kw / good (155 mi.)
106.1 WCWI WI Adams / Wisconsin 106 / 6kw / good (174 mi.)
106.3 WGMV MI Stephenson / Maverick 106 / 50kw / RDS / perfect (109 mi.)
106.3 WWMN MI Thompsonville / WJML News R. //1210 / 2.2kw / v. good (39 mi.)
106.5 WYTE WI Marshfield / Y106.5 / 100kw / RDS / perfect! (175 mi.)
106.5 WHBZ WI Sheboygan Falls / The Buzz / 6kw / good (78 mi.)
106.7 WKRU WI Allouez / The Big Dog / 25kw / perfect (80 mi.)
106.9 WLGE WI Baileys Harbor / The Lodge / 6kw / RDS / perfect (68 mi.)
107.1 WCKC MI Cadillac / The Drive / 2.75kw / perfect (50 mi.)
107.3 WUPF MI Powers / Eagle 107.3 / 50kw / perfect (112 mi.)
107.3 WBBL MI Greenville / Sports / 50kw / very good (98 mi.)
107.5 WDUZ WI Brillion / The Fan / 3.6kw / very good (81 mi.)
107.5 WCCN WI Neillsville / The Rock / 100kw / good (212 mi.)
*107.7 W299CB MI Manistee / Smile FM / 19w / perfect (3 mi.)
107.9 WBCV WI Wausau / Big Cheese / 100kw / RDS / perfect (162 mi.)

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