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Toledo Power Reduction

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Toledo Power Reduction

Post by WOHO » Fri Jul 02, 2021 8:52 am

Saw in the FCC notes that Toledo's 1560 is going to maintain their 3 watts at night (yet to hear it), keep their PSSR values, but reduce daytime power from 1500W to 1000w. What's the deal? Is the station still coming thru everyone's headsets at the Toledo Cumuli building? Or just trying to save on their electric bill?



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Re: Toledo Power Reduction

Post by innate-in-you » Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:35 pm

WOHO wrote:
Fri Jul 02, 2021 8:52 am
Saw in the FCC notes that Toledo's 1560 is going to maintain their 3 watts at night (yet to hear it), keep their PSSR values, but reduce daytime power from 1500W to 1000w. What's the deal? Is the station still coming thru everyone's headsets at the Toledo Cumuli building? Or just trying to save on their electric bill?
My pie-in-sky guess:

They're replacing their 5kW vacuum tube transmitter, which still needs as much filament current when it's running for 1500 watts out.

So they're replacing the old transmitter with a new solid-state 1kW transmitter, giving up 500W of RF, since it may be the case that nobody is making a 1500W AM broadcast transmitter.



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Re: Toledo Power Reduction

Post by Deleted User 15502 » Fri Jul 09, 2021 1:16 am

innate-in-you wrote:
Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:35 pm
WOHO wrote:
Fri Jul 02, 2021 8:52 am
Saw in the FCC notes that Toledo's 1560 is going to maintain their 3 watts at night (yet to hear it), keep their PSSR values, but reduce daytime power from 1500W to 1000w. What's the deal? Is the station still coming thru everyone's headsets at the Toledo Cumuli building? Or just trying to save on their electric bill?
My pie-in-sky guess:

They're replacing their 5kW vacuum tube transmitter, which still needs as much filament current when it's running for 1500 watts out.

So they're replacing the old transmitter with a new solid-state 1kW transmitter, giving up 500W of RF, since it may be the case that nobody is making a 1500W AM broadcast transmitter.
That was my guess, updating equipment. If Family Radio would of turned in WFME's License then WWYC could probably run 24/7 at 1000 watts, but there still holding onto the station's license for now.



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Re: Toledo Power Reduction

Post by WOHO » Fri Jul 09, 2021 5:24 pm

New equipment makes sense. Without 1560 NYC, isn't there still a California hindrance to have WWYC run 1KW at night? Isn't there still an ancient pact where the original class D daytimers have to power down to a couple of baby watts at "sunset in Bakersfield, California", or some crazy thing like that?



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Re: Toledo Power Reduction

Post by Inundated » Sat Jul 10, 2021 12:24 am

WHLO/640 Akron used to sign off at California sunset due to KFI/Los Angeles, so I wouldn't be surprised if 1560/Toledo had the same license condition re: KNZR/Bakersfield.



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Re: Toledo Power Reduction

Post by ajaynejr » Sat Nov 06, 2021 12:43 pm

In some cases, I think including WWYC Toledo, "sunset in Bakersfield" represented an additional hindrance.

For the time from New York sunset to Bakersfield sunset when WQXR/WQEW/WFME continued to use its daytime pattern as authorized sometime in the early 1960's. Some other 1560s in the middle (of the U.S.) had to reduce power and there is one case that a station in the middle had to sign off at its own sunset and wait until Bakersfield sunset to resume operation, all to protect WQXR/... .

Incidentally, when WQXR applied for that "post sunset authorization" the FCC denied an application for a new 1560 for Hamilton, Ohio to avoid a conflict with WQXR.



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Re: Toledo Power Reduction

Post by billmich88888 » Thu Nov 11, 2021 1:13 pm

ajaynejr wrote:
Sat Nov 06, 2021 12:43 pm
In some cases, I think including WWYC Toledo, "sunset in Bakersfield" represented an additional hindrance.

For the time from New York sunset to Bakersfield sunset when WQXR/WQEW/WFME continued to use its daytime pattern as authorized sometime in the early 1960's. Some other 1560s in the middle (of the U.S.) had to reduce power and there is one case that a station in the middle had to sign off at its own sunset and wait until Bakersfield sunset to resume operation, all to protect WQXR/... .

Incidentally, when WQXR applied for that "post sunset authorization" the FCC denied an application for a new 1560 for Hamilton, Ohio to avoid a conflict with WQXR.
i think that station you speak of is the one now at 1630 out of Iowa
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https://www.radiodiscussions.com/thread ... wa.580970/



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Re: Toledo Power Reduction

Post by innate-in-you » Sat Feb 19, 2022 11:40 am

billmich88888 wrote:
Thu Nov 11, 2021 1:13 pm
ajaynejr wrote:
Sat Nov 06, 2021 12:43 pm
In some cases, I think including WWYC Toledo, "sunset in Bakersfield" represented an additional hindrance.

For the time from New York sunset to Bakersfield sunset when WQXR/WQEW/WFME continued to use its daytime pattern as authorized sometime in the early 1960's. Some other 1560s in the middle (of the U.S.) had to reduce power and there is one case that a station in the middle had to sign off at its own sunset and wait until Bakersfield sunset to resume operation, all to protect WQXR/... .

Incidentally, when WQXR applied for that "post sunset authorization" the FCC denied an application for a new 1560 for Hamilton, Ohio to avoid a conflict with WQXR.
i think that station you speak of is the one now at 1630 out of Iowa
KCJJ

https://www.radiodiscussions.com/thread ... wa.580970/
No. WFME is a Class A station which can be equipped up to 50kW using a directional array (but are not broadcasting because their land was worth more than its spectrum).

KCJJ is a Class 3 station using 10kW day and 1kW night, with an omnidirectional tower (as does almost every ex-band station).



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Re: Toledo Power Reduction

Post by billmich88888 » Thu Feb 24, 2022 8:01 am

Read the KCJJ wiki page and look at what it USED to be, not what it is now



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Re: Toledo Power Reduction

Post by Colonel Flagg » Thu Feb 24, 2022 5:01 pm

ajaynejr wrote:
Sat Nov 06, 2021 12:43 pm
In some cases, I think including WWYC Toledo, "sunset in Bakersfield" represented an additional hindrance.

For the time from New York sunset to Bakersfield sunset when WQXR/WQEW/WFME continued to use its daytime pattern as authorized sometime in the early 1960's. Some other 1560s in the middle (of the U.S.) had to reduce power and there is one case that a station in the middle had to sign off at its own sunset and wait until Bakersfield sunset to resume operation, all to protect WQXR/... .

Incidentally, when WQXR applied for that "post sunset authorization" the FCC denied an application for a new 1560 for Hamilton, Ohio to avoid a conflict with WQXR.
WCNW, Fairfield, OH is right next to Hamilton, and has been there a long time. I believe they reduce power during CH, but the station is there... probably since the 1960's.


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