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89X,93.9 The River & AM580 are Gone

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Re: 89X,93.9 The River & AM580 are Gone

Post by CK-722 » Mon Nov 23, 2020 11:35 am

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As for 580, they changed patterns. With that being said, not everyone will get it. And some, only at night.
I see nothing either in the US or Canadian Database that suggests that. The latest information is from 2011. I suspect that they may have been on STA for the last several years. That would be 125 watts nondirectional. I don't know where to find Canadian STA information. But that would explain the weak signal observed. With WTCM at 50 kW, the signal to the Northwest receives a lot more interference. Under the treaty, CKWW is not protected on US soil, and never has been. That's how they are able to have WRDT 560 and CKWW 580 so geographically close together (27.5 miles). Interference ratios were used to squeeze it in.


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Re: 89X,93.9 The River & AM580 are Gone

Post by WOHO » Mon Nov 23, 2020 1:34 pm

Didn't realize that they were on 125W- that's actually not bad for reaching Toledo on skywave on that low of power, the low band position obviously helps. So how can they get 250W again, aside from simulcasting on 93.9FM?



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Re: 89X,93.9 The River & AM580 are Gone

Post by CK-722 » Mon Nov 23, 2020 1:56 pm

Does anyone know the story straight from the horse's mouth, not our generally informed conjecture?


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Re: 89X,93.9 The River & AM580 are Gone

Post by Turkeytop » Mon Nov 23, 2020 2:01 pm

I live in London ON, about 120 miles east of Windsor. CKWW pounds in here like a local, during the day.


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Re: 89X,93.9 The River & AM580 are Gone

Post by fuzzpower » Mon Nov 23, 2020 7:13 pm

CKWW’s pattern is aimed to the northeast, so the signal is great in Sarnia and London. It’s weak in the western Detroit suburbs and practically unlistenable in Ann Arbor. Toledo is hit or miss.

They are licensed at 500 watts by the way. I have no idea if they are running that as I live in one of the nulls where the signal has had weak points, especially at night.



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Re: 89X,93.9 The River & AM580 are Gone

Post by Turkeytop » Mon Nov 23, 2020 7:53 pm

For most of my life, I lived up at the top of the map, where I've drawn the red dot. Even up there, the CKWW signal is solid, during the day. But you need a good directional antenna to null out a local station up there on 560 KHZ.


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Re: 89X,93.9 The River & AM580 are Gone

Post by Marcus » Mon Nov 23, 2020 9:38 pm

In Sarnia 580 CKWW has always came in better than AM 1550 (now CBEF) which is 10,000 watts. CKWW also has less interference at night.



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Re: 89X,93.9 The River & AM580 are Gone

Post by TeddyBear » Wed Nov 25, 2020 7:21 pm

CK-722 wrote:
Mon Nov 23, 2020 11:35 am
TeddyBear wrote:
Mon Nov 23, 2020 8:06 am
As for 580, they changed patterns. With that being said, not everyone will get it. And some, only at night.
I see nothing either in the US or Canadian Database that suggests that. The latest information is from 2011. I suspect that they may have been on STA for the last several years. That would be 125 watts nondirectional. I don't know where to find Canadian STA information. But that would explain the weak signal observed. With WTCM at 50 kW, the signal to the Northwest receives a lot more interference. Under the treaty, CKWW is not protected on US soil, and never has been. That's how they are able to have WRDT 560 and CKWW 580 so geographically close together (27.5 miles). Interference ratios were used to squeeze it in.
Umm... they used to broadcast more South. Now they null south. I'm thinking it was in the early 2000's.

They look like a right-sideways "Y" during the day, a right-sideways heart at night.

Another thought.... Iboc. Are they still HD?


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Re: 89X,93.9 The River & AM580 are Gone

Post by innate-in-you » Fri Nov 27, 2020 6:51 pm

CK-722 wrote:
Mon Nov 23, 2020 11:35 am
TeddyBear wrote:
Mon Nov 23, 2020 8:06 am
As for 580, they changed patterns. With that being said, not everyone will get it. And some, only at night.
I see nothing either in the US or Canadian Database that suggests that. The latest information is from 2011. I suspect that they may have been on STA for the last several years. That would be 125 watts nondirectional. I don't know where to find Canadian STA information. But that would explain the weak signal observed. With WTCM at 50 kW, the signal to the Northwest receives a lot more interference. Under the treaty, CKWW is not protected on US soil, and never has been. That's how they are able to have WRDT 560 and CKWW 580 so geographically close together (27.5 miles). Interference ratios were used to squeeze it in.
Perhaps they were operating omni with reduced power a year or two ago. There were many reports of people hearing CKWW in much of the eastern US.

One night, they were suddenly highly directional (causing me to lose my favorite radio signal when at home).

Many BCB DX fans were posting CKWW to the DXworld logger when their signal was going out everywhere.



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Re: 89X,93.9 The River & AM580 are Gone

Post by WOHO » Wed Dec 02, 2020 12:48 am

Monroe 560KHz is still horrible HD (on full-power days) and spilling onto 2 adjacent frequencies in Monroe County, and CKWW has been rough to listen to in the car in the Toledo area unlike when the format was on the Big8 at 50KW.



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Re: 89X,93.9 The River & AM580 are Gone

Post by Studio87 » Sat Jan 02, 2021 1:54 pm

Has anyone noticed that CIMX has a very weak signal in Wood County now? Did they reduce there power? Before the format switch I got a decent signal, now it’s static.


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Re: 89X,93.9 The River & AM580 are Gone

Post by MWmetalhead » Sun Jan 03, 2021 7:43 am

CIMX's signal has been fucked up for several years. Very inconsistent signal in my neck of the woods (about 20 miles NW of downtown Detroit). I think their transmitter or the antenna itself is on the skids.

Even if CIMX is broadcasting at full power, reception in Wood County should be problematic for many people. WTPG 88.9 increased power three or four years ago and sends a strong signal to places such as Maumee, Perrysville, and Bowling Green. Only a receiver with a super selective tuner would be capable of receiving CIMX cleanly under such conditions. When a first adjacent station is pumping out a ~70 dBu signal (city grade) and the intended station is only sending a ~50 dBu signal, in most cases, clean reception of the ~50 dBu signal is impossible.


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Re: 89X,93.9 The River & AM580 are Gone

Post by Studio87 » Sun Jan 03, 2021 10:03 am

WTPG did interfere with CIMX but not too much. Even in toledo I can barley pick CIMX, it’s not as strong as it was two months ago.


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Re: 89X,93.9 The River & AM580 are Gone

Post by Deleted User 15475 » Sun Jan 03, 2021 2:29 pm

One doesn't have to worry about CIMX anymore, no matter where you reside there is no short supply in music consisting of twang and talk of "Honkey tonks" and " farm equipment". I suppose I could dust off my fiddle and make an attempt to learn it again, if the mood strikes me in a certain way but I very much doubt it.



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Re: 89X,93.9 The River & AM580 are Gone

Post by WOHO » Sun Jan 03, 2021 8:07 pm

No thank you Pinhead; Toledo already has 3 local country signals, plus can receive CFCO 630 during day pattern, so no shortage of country music in NW Ohio. A real true 'Classic Country' (60's and 70's crossovers and Willie, Johnny, etc...) station (similar to SXM 59) would be welcome though.



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