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WPAY

Post by JGP1954 » Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:20 pm

Has anybody heard anything about the WPAY sale? It was up for sale along with a FM repeater?



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Re: WPAY

Post by 1027BrianFM » Tue Jan 15, 2019 1:08 am

News to me, I've heard nothing. If a new owner takes over, I hope they will fix the issue with the translator. Wonder if it's a commercial broadcaster or another Religious one.


For the love of all that's decent, enough with the country stations in NW Ohio and SE Michigan! please! One of you, out of the pool! Toledo Does not need 3 country stations. We are not Podunk Mississippi or Nebraska.

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Re: WPAY

Post by JGP1954 » Tue Jan 15, 2019 9:28 pm

I don't know if they have a buyer. I just know it's up for sale. Along with the FM translator and a FM translator CP.



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Re: WPAY

Post by 1027BrianFM » Wed Jan 16, 2019 2:27 am

EMF has been sitting on that station for 10 years now, maybe Pedro Zamora might be looking? He owns 1310am in Detroit, a commercial Spanish station might be a good fit.


For the love of all that's decent, enough with the country stations in NW Ohio and SE Michigan! please! One of you, out of the pool! Toledo Does not need 3 country stations. We are not Podunk Mississippi or Nebraska.

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Re: WPAY

Post by CK-722 » Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:07 am

WPAY History Card.

Notice how they dance around how the Day Site used to be in Michigan. Like Michigan was a dirty word. I guess it still is in Ohio. When George Carlin performed in Ohio, I guess Michigan was the eighth word you couldn't say on TV.

https://licensing.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/prod/ ... r_id=68421


Is THAT where they got the idea for the 486-SX?

Same (x, y, z), different (t)

Your bullet missed my trial balloon.

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Re: WPAY

Post by JGP1954 » Fri Jan 18, 2019 9:41 pm

I'm sort of fixated on WPAY these days. I only recently discovered its existence, and found out its for sale. It has one of the oddest signal patterns I've ever seen, yet during the day, I can hear it in the 8 mile Road area of Detroit. Given today's AM station's challenges, I'm amazed its still on the air. I'm rootin' for the little critter, and hope it stays on the air, forever.



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Re: time

Post by CK-722 » Fri Jan 18, 2019 11:15 pm

Because WYFC was on 1520, WTTO could not go North Days. And they couldn't go South at Night due to the combination of WKBW and KOMA skywave service. So they needed two sites.

Changes in the Agreement With Canada allowed US stations to finally use 990 in the Daytime and Nighttime near the Border, far away from CBW Winnipeg. So WYFC was able to move to 990 as WWCM...WDEO. To fully use 990 Days, it appeared that WABX Clare had to be removed. With WYFC gone from 1520, WTTO...WPAY was able to go North Day and Night and used one site. The conductivity around Toledo was pretty good, and WPAY on 1520 has a decent signal for that far up the band. It was never able to use a full 1000 watt input, so it uses a very efficient array with electrically tall towers with 500 watts Day and 400 watts Night, with a Class B equivalent close to 1000 watts. It was unable to put a sufficient signal over Toledo for a Toledo COL, so it now has Rossford, OH as the COL.


Is THAT where they got the idea for the 486-SX?

Same (x, y, z), different (t)

Your bullet missed my trial balloon.

RTN Price. Not guaranteed, 2 deg source. As of 12:30, 157.71 Down 0.22.

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Re: WPAY

Post by innate-in-you » Sat Jan 19, 2019 12:46 am

Did it take Rossford as COL because it wouldn't put 5mV day and NIF night over Toledo, or because (at the time) any relocation of a transmitter site required that service would be provided to a community that had no broadcast stations of its own?



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Re: WPAY

Post by CK-722 » Sat Jan 19, 2019 1:08 am

innate-in-you wrote:
Sat Jan 19, 2019 12:46 am
Did it take Rossford as COL because it wouldn't put 5mV day and NIF night over Toledo, or because (at the time) any relocation of a transmitter site required that service would be provided to a community that had no broadcast stations of its own?
The APPs I could find online didn't have the exhibits that discussed that. Looks like it was necessary, since it was a Major Change. Otherwise, they usually go with a Minor Change, so I assume they couldn't quite make it work as a Minor Change. As Don Adams would say, "Missed it by that much".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPwrodxghrw


Is THAT where they got the idea for the 486-SX?

Same (x, y, z), different (t)

Your bullet missed my trial balloon.

RTN Price. Not guaranteed, 2 deg source. As of 12:30, 157.71 Down 0.22.

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Re: WPAY

Post by innate-in-you » Sun Jan 27, 2019 2:11 am

Oddly, WJR actually may have been a factor in WPAY's current transmitter site. It's actually in the FCC regs that you cannot overlap harmonically-related channels (over which contour escapes me at this moment).
The fact that 1520 beaming north from its old daytime array (mere yards north of the I-75 / Ohio Turnpike interchange near Perrysburg) would not have caused one iota of interference did not matter. It was not acceptable to the FCC that 1520 would tolerate interference from the second harmonic of WJR.
Perhaps beaming north from their new site, several miles south of the old one, assures there is no such contour overlap.

If the Radio-Locator.com site is correct, WPAY's 0.5mV/m contour is right along the Huron River in that direction. WJR's TL is about 7km outside that.



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