Notice to all Buzzboard readers & posters: A requested server migration took place Saturday evening. Unfortunately, I did not re-point my DNS records to the new server until roughly 7:45p ET on Monday, November 12. As a result, any posts and new user registrations occurring between the nighttime hours of 11/10 and approximately 7:45p ET on Monday, 11/12 have been lost.

This was unavoidable, and the longer I waited to re-point to the new server, the greater the number of posts that would've been lost.

Please feel free to resubmit any threads / posts you created. They will NOT be lost this time! Many thanks for your patience these past couple of weeks while I've worked to migrate the Buzzboard to a more secure, more robust platform.

Check out the Buzzboard's newest forum - the Buzzboard Marketplace! Find it here: http://www.mibuzzboard.com/phpBB3/viewforum.php?f=31

WLAV Tower Relocation

Discussion pertaining to Grand Rapids, Kalamazoo, Muskegon, Battle Creek, Big Rapids, and Michiana
Arthur Mometer
Posts: 588
Joined: Wed Oct 22, 2008 9:52 am
Location: Radar Room

WLAV Tower Relocation

Post by Arthur Mometer » Tue Oct 30, 2018 4:04 am

This was a huqe topic, so let's keep it going.

The last post was about the other tower near the WNWZ site, which has the WGRD-FM auxiliary, which is 1.7 kW at 120 meters HAAT and for a short while had the main WGRD-FM licensed facility. That area is about 6 miles closer to WWDV, which is too far from the WLAV LIC facility for ideal replication of the nondirectional service area. The tower there is 500 feet though.


"I'm meteorologist Arthur Mometer."

"Those of you who think you know everything are very annoying to those of us who do."

"Lies have to be repeated and repeated to be believed. Truth stands on its own merit."

User avatar
MWmetalhead
Site Admin
Posts: 3315
Joined: Sun Oct 31, 2004 11:23 am

Re: WLAV Tower Relocation

Post by MWmetalhead » Tue Oct 30, 2018 9:14 pm

I'll summarize my earlier thoughts (since lost forever thanks to Russian hackers):

--Cumulus has begun the process to apply for planning commission approval of a zoning variance in Ada Twp in hopes of being able to construct a new tower just up the road from the one torn down last summer. GOOD LUCK with that. In the late 90's, the Township (and many residents) fought the 475-foot Michigan State Police communications tower tooth & nail. The State Police had the benefit of an eminent-domain type law crafted specifically for it by Lansing and signed into law by Engler, thus neutering the township's ability to block construction. No such benefit exists for Cumulus.

--The temporary WLAV TX site from the WBBL tower site (near Lincoln Lake Rd and 6 Mile Rd) does a lousy job of serving Ottawa County listeners, and in a few cases, a not-so-good job of serving western Kent County listeners. This temporary site uses 20 kW from 97 meters HAAT as opposed to 50 kw from 150 meters HAAT (the parameters of the since demolished officially licensed TX site).

--In early October, WLAV applied for a new temporary site. This one is located on the campus of Grand Valley State University's Allendale area campus, at the tower site of WGVU-TV. This site calls for usage of 9.4 kW from 161 meters HAAT, although much less power than that would be sent toward Holland, Grand Haven and Muskegon in order to remain within the confines of WLAV's licensed service contour. This should greatly improve reception across Ottawa County, modestly improve reception across far western Kent County, but greatly diminish reception across much of eastern Kent County. Ionia, Montcalm, Barry and Eaton counties will see an enormous drop-off in reception.

--Despite the disadvantages presented in mostly rural areas east of Metro Grand Rapids, the fact more households will be within the projected 60 dBu and 70 dBu (city grade) contours from the proposed GVSU site as compared to the current WBBL temporary site should serve to benefit WLAV's listeners and advertisers overall.

--Recall that WLAV had planned to co-locate on the WFUR-FM tower near John Ball Park but is unable to do so due to structural integrity issues. The mast was determined to be unsuitable to support the added weight of WLAV's transmitting antenna (or antennae as the case may be). This determination evidently wasn't made until WLAV's tower site of several decades was torn down to pave the way for a new residential development. WLAV did not own its longtime tower site; it leased the space. This set of circumstances led Cumulus to scramble to find a suitable temporary backup site. Not long after signing on from a temporary antenna located 2/3 of the way up WBBL's tower, numerous listener complaints of poor reception began pouring in.

--Where does WLAV go from here? Well, as I said earlier, I don't think there's a snowball's chance in hell of their proposed site in Ada Township being approved by the township. They could try to apply for a major license modification that would allow usage of the GVSU site long-term, but at greater power & height levels than what is currently being proposed for temporary use. Similarly, they could try to apply for a major license modification to use (on a permanent basis) either the WTNR site NE of Zeeland or the WBBL site in Grattan Twp (north of Lowell; SW of Greenville). There are various FCC spacing regulations that could limit viability of some or all of the above options. The final option would be to try to make a deal with the owner of the land near the WFUR AM/FM studios to build a new structure that would support WLAV's transmitting antenna.

My guess is it will be late 2019 at the soonest before WLAV successfully finds a permanent home with permanently licensed facilities.


Thanks, corporate radio, for finally tossing Nickelback to the curb. Now can you please do the same for Shinedown? THEY SUCK!!!

radionut
Posts: 25
Joined: Thu Dec 09, 2004 6:09 pm

Re: WLAV Tower Relocation

Post by radionut » Wed Oct 31, 2018 2:19 pm

I think once the re-location to the GVSU happens the Average WLAV will no longer have reception issues. It all comes down to where the Sales people are selling. I highly doubt much is being sold in eastern Kent County. Ionia, Montcalm, Barry and Eaton counties. I'm sure a some though.



Trophyhead
Posts: 220
Joined: Mon Dec 06, 2004 6:36 am

Re: WLAV Tower Relocation

Post by Trophyhead » Tue Nov 06, 2018 2:45 pm

I had a sketchy signal on Sunday morning when I tuned in "Breakfast in the Basement." Writing to you on the anniversary of Uncle Ed's birth, let me say I was thankful to hear "Juke Joint Jump" by Elvin Bishop, Steve.

Will this WGVU arrangement strengthen the quality near US-131 and Pine Island Drive?

Signed,
Curious



User avatar
MWmetalhead
Site Admin
Posts: 3315
Joined: Sun Oct 31, 2004 11:23 am

Re: WLAV Tower Relocation

Post by MWmetalhead » Tue Nov 06, 2018 3:03 pm

I believe that is a somewhat hilly area, correct?

If so, the added height from the GVSU site might make reception a little more stable in your area. Tough to say for sure, as you're probably a little closer to the BBL site distance wise.


Thanks, corporate radio, for finally tossing Nickelback to the curb. Now can you please do the same for Shinedown? THEY SUCK!!!

Trophyhead
Posts: 220
Joined: Mon Dec 06, 2004 6:36 am

Re: WLAV Tower Relocation

Post by Trophyhead » Tue Nov 06, 2018 3:37 pm

Where the freeway crosses Pine Island is a pretty good rise in elevation from the West River intersection, that's for sure.

Not to be an "old horse," but I remember tuning in Aris on LAV with a fringe signal when I was up by Reed City in the 80s, and being able to pull in 96.9 by Mt. Pleasant.

A thumb-shaped Sony is not the most discerning device with which to make assertions about the changes in their signal.



Post Reply Previous topicNext topic