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Dave LewAllen - what an idiot.

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Dave LewAllen - what an idiot.

Post by km1125 » Tue Nov 08, 2022 3:20 pm

While doing a report on the Oakland County transportation proposal, Dave says "If the proposal passes, it will generate 61 million dollars in the first year".

Does it really Dave?? How does it GENERATE money? NO, IT DOESN'T really at all. It TAKES or COLLECTS 61 million FROM THE RESIDENTS.

How about BEING HONEST Dave?

https://www.wxyz.com/news/oakland-count ... -by-voters



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Re: Dave LewAllen - what an idiot.

Post by Rate This » Tue Nov 08, 2022 3:26 pm

km1125 wrote:
Tue Nov 08, 2022 3:20 pm
While doing a report on the Oakland County transportation proposal, Dave says "If the proposal passes, it will generate 61 million dollars in the first year".

Does it really Dave?? How does it GENERATE money? NO, IT DOESN'T really at all. It TAKES or COLLECTS 61 million FROM THE RESIDENTS.

How about BEING HONEST Dave?

https://www.wxyz.com/news/oakland-count ... -by-voters
Saying a proposal will generate revenue is a pretty standard way to put it and it’s used in government documents, meetings and the news media. That’s the way it is. Too bad. Takes is a borderline negative opinion. Collects I could accept. But Dave LewAllen did not invent that verbiage.



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Post by TC Talks » Tue Nov 08, 2022 3:29 pm

Money in is revenue regardless of the source.

Your mental disability check is still a source of your revenue.


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Post by Circle Seven » Tue Nov 08, 2022 3:55 pm

I don't see anything wrong with how LewAllen phrased it. Money is coming from some source. Saying that source is generating money don't seem odd to me.



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Post by audiophile » Tue Nov 08, 2022 4:15 pm

TC Talks wrote:
Tue Nov 08, 2022 3:29 pm
Money in is revenue regardless of the source.
I was sitting with the PBS guys once and even they knew better to call viewer support "revenue", so you are wrong as usual.


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Re: Dave LewAllen - what an idiot.

Post by Rate This » Tue Nov 08, 2022 4:24 pm

audiophile wrote:
Tue Nov 08, 2022 4:15 pm
TC Talks wrote:
Tue Nov 08, 2022 3:29 pm
Money in is revenue regardless of the source.
I was sitting with the PBS guys once and even they knew better to call viewer support "revenue", so you are wrong as usual.
Realistically it is revenue… they are gaining money by soliciting something… then they use that money which is expenses. They have a budget and at the end of the year they have a shortfall or a surplus.



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Re: Dave LewAllen - what an idiot.

Post by TC Talks » Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:28 pm

audiophile wrote:
Tue Nov 08, 2022 4:15 pm
TC Talks wrote:
Tue Nov 08, 2022 3:29 pm
Money in is revenue regardless of the source.
I was sitting with the PBS guys once and even they knew better to call viewer support "revenue", so you are wrong as usual.
This isn't a pledge drive so head back to the swamp.


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Re: Dave LewAllen - what an idiot.

Post by MWmetalhead » Sat Nov 19, 2022 11:39 am

There are a number of things for which Mr. LewAllen can be rightfully criticized, but this isn't one of them.



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Post by craig11152 » Sat Nov 19, 2022 12:04 pm

While I agree it's a commonly used phrase it is a bit of a softsell on taxation.
Rather than ........ "If the proposal passes, it will generate 61 million dollars in the first year".
It might be more intellectually honest to say " "If the proposal passes, the tax will collect 61 million dollars in the first year".

If someone goes mushroom picking they don't really generate mushrooms, they collect them or gather them.
Nobody says "lets go generate some some mushrooms" unless you are a mushroom farmer.
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Re: Dave LewAllen - what an idiot.

Post by km1125 » Sat Nov 19, 2022 12:05 pm

I agree craig.

I would suggest that just using the term "generate revenue" is perceived by nearly EVERYONE as a very positive statement, which would mean that any reporter using it without qualifying or clarifying WHERE that "revenue" is coming from is doing a disservice to the audience and imparting slant to a story about taxes.

Maybe we should just file it under "implicit bias" and figure out how to do some training on it.



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Re: Dave LewAllen - what an idiot.

Post by MWmetalhead » Sat Nov 19, 2022 12:19 pm

I think nearly everyone realizes a millage is a tax that generates revenue for the taxing body.



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Re: Dave LewAllen - what an idiot.

Post by km1125 » Sat Nov 19, 2022 2:08 pm

MWmetalhead wrote:
Sat Nov 19, 2022 12:19 pm
I think nearly everyone realizes a millage is a tax that generates revenue for the taxing body.
I think you're tremendously overestimating the average voter.

I would love to see a few "Jaywalking" interviews outside some polling places to learn more.



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Re: Dave LewAllen - what an idiot.

Post by Deleted User 9015 » Sat Nov 19, 2022 2:35 pm

I have seen people look for things to be upset about on this forum, but this takes the cake.



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Re: Dave LewAllen - what an idiot.

Post by MWmetalhead » Sat Nov 19, 2022 2:44 pm

I would love to see a few "Jaywalking" interviews outside some polling places to learn more.
Not sure I'd use a segment that is heavily edited for TV purposes as a benchmark here. I'd also like to think the people here are much wiser than the folks in L.A. County.



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Re: Dave LewAllen - what an idiot.

Post by Circle Seven » Sat Nov 19, 2022 3:44 pm

MWmetalhead wrote:
Sat Nov 19, 2022 2:44 pm
I would love to see a few "Jaywalking" interviews outside some polling places to learn more.
Not sure I'd use a segment that is heavily edited for TV purposes as a benchmark here. I'd also like to think the people here are much wiser than the folks in L.A. County.
Exactly. Like Kimmel's Liewitness News, 99 people get the question right before one person don't know it and gets on TV.



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