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Health director fired? (Robert Gordon MiDHHS out)

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Re: Health director fired? (Robert Gordon MiDHHS out)

Post by TC Talks » Wed Feb 17, 2021 5:46 pm

Matt wrote:
Wed Feb 17, 2021 5:14 pm
TC Talks wrote:
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So the issues rest with county health departments.
No, the State of Michigan.
Explain how, the counties are responsible for distribution and sign up...

https://gtcountycovid19.com/

https://gtcountycovid19.com/vaccine/

The issues lie either with the federal government's lack of accountability or counties not able to set up vaccination stations because there are no funds to do the work.

In the middle is the state that merely is trafficking the vaccine from the pharmacy to the counties.


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Re: Health director fired? (Robert Gordon MiDHHS out)

Post by Matt » Wed Feb 17, 2021 7:29 pm

TC Talks wrote:
Wed Feb 17, 2021 5:46 pm
Matt wrote:
Wed Feb 17, 2021 5:14 pm
TC Talks wrote:
Wed Feb 17, 2021 5:08 pm
So the issues rest with county health departments.
No, the State of Michigan.
Explain how, the counties are responsible for distribution and sign up...

https://gtcountycovid19.com/

https://gtcountycovid19.com/vaccine/

The issues lie either with the federal government's lack of accountability or counties not able to set up vaccination stations because there are no funds to do the work.

In the middle is the state that merely is trafficking the vaccine from the pharmacy to the counties.
The county executives from Wayne, Macomb, and Oakland (all Democrats) see it differently: https://wdet.org/posts/2021/02/11/90621 ... e-rollout/

Its worth noting that all the rural counties you shit on are doing a remarkable job. Shout out to one of my favorite places: Alger County.


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Re: Health director fired? (Robert Gordon MiDHHS out)

Post by Matt » Wed Feb 17, 2021 7:30 pm

Rate This wrote:
Wed Feb 17, 2021 5:45 pm
Matt wrote:
Wed Feb 17, 2021 4:45 pm
TC Talks wrote:
Wed Feb 17, 2021 4:38 pm
Ok, but the program still didn't roll out till 3 weeks ago
The data shows that Grand Traverse County is in fact doing well. It is #4, the only non-UP County in the top 10. Washtenaw comes it at #30, the first six figure population on the list (GT is 7k short off 100k). I continue to suggest that if U-M had been able to vaccinate faculty, staff, and students first, our numbers would be even better.
U of M did some screwing around of its own. Vaccinating hospital personnel working at home isn’t exactly a great use of resources.
I disagree. I think U-M should have aggressively vaccinated employees and students - really anyone in those groups that wanted it.


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Re: Health director fired? (Robert Gordon MiDHHS out)

Post by TC Talks » Wed Feb 17, 2021 7:39 pm

I don't care what political side of the fence they are on, the current system is that each county is responsible for getting the vaccine into people's arms. I still don't think the state is failing to deliver the vaccines.

All that article states is that the counties want more vaccine. Everyone wants more vaccine. It doesn't mean the state is doing a poor job of distributing what they receive. You haven't really proved your case that the state is failing. I don't think they are.
Oakland County
In a recent Detroit Today interview, Oakland County Executive Dave Coulter echoed concerns around vaccine supply. Despite having received more doses than any other county in the state, Coulter says it’s still not nearly enough. “It’s frustrating… We just don’t have enough doses to meet the incredible demand,” says Coulter.


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Re: Health director fired? (Robert Gordon MiDHHS out)

Post by TC Talks » Fri Feb 19, 2021 8:48 am

Matt,

This demonstrates my point that the state of Michigan really doesn't have much to do with the vaccination. The fed's control the vaccine the counties are responsible for administrating it.
Millions of doses wound up trapped in logistical limbo, either set aside for nursing homes that did not need them or stockpiled while Americans clamored in vain for their first doses. Now a national effort is underway to pry those doses loose — and, with luck, give a significant boost to the national vaccination ramp-up.

In New York, Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo has pushed the Biden administration to allow him to claw back 100,000 excess doses that were allocated to the federal program for long-term-care facilities. In Michigan, Dr. Joneigh S. Khaldun, the chief medical executive, is raiding nursing home doses that she said had been locked in a “piggy bank” controlled by CVS and Walgreens, the two pharmacy chains in charge of the federal initiative.

And in Virginia, Dr. Danny Avula, the state’s vaccine coordinator, said he has been “wheeling and dealing like on a trading floor” to free up tens of thousands of doses for the general population.


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Re: Health director fired? (Robert Gordon MiDHHS out)

Post by MWmetalhead » Fri Feb 19, 2021 7:16 pm

The county officials in Livingston County certainly disagree, TC Talks.

True - a sizable portion of the vaccine allotment is determined by the feds. However, the State of Michigan also plays a significant role.

This report may be helpful:

https://www.wxyz.com/news/coronavirus/p ... uld-you-go

Livingston County's health department feels it is getting shortchanged by the state. So far, only about 13,000 doses have made their way to Livingston County. That's only about 0.6% of the doses received statewide even though Livingston County holds about 2.0% of the state's residents.



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Re: Health director fired? (Robert Gordon MiDHHS out)

Post by TC Talks » Sat Feb 20, 2021 9:24 am

MWmetalhead wrote:
Fri Feb 19, 2021 7:16 pm
The county officials in Livingston County certainly disagree, TC Talks.

True - a sizable portion of the vaccine allotment is determined by the feds. However, the State of Michigan also plays a significant role.

This report may be helpful:

https://www.wxyz.com/news/coronavirus/p ... uld-you-go

Livingston County's health department feels it is getting shortchanged by the state. So far, only about 13,000 doses have made their way to Livingston County. That's only about 0.6% of the doses received statewide even though Livingston County holds about 2.0% of the state's residents.
So the complaint is that the distribution is uneven? It's going to be that way. The state of Michigan as many states are prioritizing areas that were hardest hit by by the pandemic. Our area has below per capita vaccinations as well. That's because we fared pretty well compared to urban communities. That's how the policy should be and Livingston County can just whine about it but it doesn't mean the state is doing a poor job it means it's doing a fair job.


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Re: Health director fired? (Robert Gordon MiDHHS out)

Post by MWmetalhead » Sat Feb 20, 2021 3:15 pm

I do agree that per capita, urbanized areas with high population density and/or a higher percentage of vulnerable citizens should receive more.



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Re: Health director fired? (Robert Gordon MiDHHS out)

Post by Robert Faygo » Sat Feb 20, 2021 9:54 pm

I do find it interesting at how much vaccine Oakland County has received per capita compared to Wayne and Macomb counties where the COVID case counts and death rates have been considerably worse per capita than Oakland.

I suspect a lot of that is because of Beaumont Hospital's aggressive distributions early on.


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Re: Health director fired? (Robert Gordon MiDHHS out)

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What's more pathetic: harassing an old man who is paying to do a radio show or supporting a grifter like Trump?

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Re: Health director fired? (Robert Gordon MiDHHS out)

Post by Rate This » Mon Mar 01, 2021 6:38 pm

Matt wrote:
Mon Mar 01, 2021 6:28 pm
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/ ... 874254002/

The plot thickens...
Oh look... smoke. They are hiding something... is it damaging? Well it certainly might change some things at the very least. Somebody needs to get to the bottom of it.



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Re: Health director fired? (Robert Gordon MiDHHS out)

Post by TC Talks » Mon Mar 01, 2021 6:51 pm

Rate This wrote:
Mon Mar 01, 2021 6:38 pm
Matt wrote:
Mon Mar 01, 2021 6:28 pm
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/ ... 874254002/

The plot thickens...
Oh look... smoke. They are hiding something... is it damaging? Well it certainly might change some things at the very least. Somebody needs to get to the bottom of it.
What if the previous director was simply incompetent?

what if Gretchen wanted a friendly in the leadership at DHHS given the problems we had last year?

I doubt it's much more smoking than one of those two possibilities.


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Re: Health director fired? (Robert Gordon MiDHHS out)

Post by Rate This » Mon Mar 01, 2021 7:14 pm

TC Talks wrote:
Mon Mar 01, 2021 6:51 pm
Rate This wrote:
Mon Mar 01, 2021 6:38 pm
Matt wrote:
Mon Mar 01, 2021 6:28 pm
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/ ... 874254002/

The plot thickens...
Oh look... smoke. They are hiding something... is it damaging? Well it certainly might change some things at the very least. Somebody needs to get to the bottom of it.
What if the previous director was simply incompetent?

what if Gretchen wanted a friendly in the leadership at DHHS given the problems we had last year?

I doubt it's much more smoking than one of those two possibilities.
So you shut the guy up too? What is this? TV News?



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Re: Health director fired? (Robert Gordon MiDHHS out)

Post by TC Talks » Mon Mar 01, 2021 8:33 pm

I am a fan for transparency, until it happens, everything is speculation.

Most executive terminations with cause come with a non-disclosure settlement. The director doesn't want the press hearing about incompetence, the Governor doesn't want press hearing about cronyism in Government.

Let's see how it unfolds.


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Re: Health director fired? (Robert Gordon MiDHHS out)

Post by Matt » Mon Mar 01, 2021 8:52 pm

TC Talks wrote:
Mon Mar 01, 2021 8:33 pm
I am a fan for transparency, until it happens, everything is speculation.

Most executive terminations with cause come with a non-disclosure settlement. The director doesn't want the press hearing about incompetence, the Governor doesn't want press hearing about cronyism in Government.

Let's see how it unfolds.
Gretchen Whitmer is incompetent. There is no other explanation for throwing the guy hush money. Gordon had a very prominent role in the Biden transition: https://www.freep.com/story/news/politi ... 239496002/ If he was the problem, don't you think Whitmer would have shared that with the transition team?


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