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Kelly Stafford tells it like it is

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Re: Kelly Stafford tells it like it is

Post by MotorCityRadioFreak » Thu Nov 19, 2020 5:07 pm

Kelly Stafford is a cunt just like you are.


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Re: Kelly Stafford tells it like it is

Post by Matt » Thu Nov 19, 2020 5:12 pm

MotorCityRadioFreak wrote:
Thu Nov 19, 2020 5:07 pm
Kelly Stafford is a cunt just like you are.
Maybe she is normally, but she's spot on here. Almost everyone is sick of tyrant Whitmer.



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Re: Kelly Stafford tells it like it is

Post by Rate This » Thu Nov 19, 2020 5:46 pm

Matt wrote:
Thu Nov 19, 2020 5:12 pm
MotorCityRadioFreak wrote:
Thu Nov 19, 2020 5:07 pm
Kelly Stafford is a cunt just like you are.
Maybe she is normally, but she's spot on here. Almost everyone is sick of tyrant Whitmer.
Governors red and blue are now doing the same thing. It’s not just here and it’s not just Whitmer. Get over yourself.



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Re: Kelly Stafford tells it like it is

Post by Mike Oxlong » Thu Nov 19, 2020 6:31 pm

Perhaps this should of been posted in The Stadium forum. Did "I'm done living in Michigan" jump out at anyone else? Hmm. A little teaser of future plans for the Stafford family?



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Re: Kelly Stafford tells it like it is

Post by Matt » Thu Nov 19, 2020 7:35 pm

Rate This wrote:
Thu Nov 19, 2020 5:46 pm
Matt wrote:
Thu Nov 19, 2020 5:12 pm
MotorCityRadioFreak wrote:
Thu Nov 19, 2020 5:07 pm
Kelly Stafford is a cunt just like you are.
Maybe she is normally, but she's spot on here. Almost everyone is sick of tyrant Whitmer.
Governors red and blue are now doing the same thing. It’s not just here and it’s not just Whitmer. Get over yourself.
Stop with the bullshit justification. How many other governors got thrown shade by the WSJ editorial board?
Gretchen Whitmer Strikes Again

Rule by executive fiat in the states has become a hallmark of the pandemic, and Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer seems determined to push its limits. After a rebuke by the state Supreme Court, the Democrat has found a new statutory justification to continue her arbitrary emergency rule of one.

Michigan’s Emergency Management Act gives the Governor some emergency authority but requires legislative approval beyond 28 days. In October the state Supreme Court found Ms. Whitmer exceeded her authority by declaring a new emergency “for the identical reasons” after time ran out on the first one.

The court also struck down Michigan’s Emergency Powers of the Governor Act, saying that even amid a pandemic “the sheer magnitude of the authority in dispute, as well as its concentration in a single individual, simply cannot be sustained within our constitutional system of separated powers.”

The state Supreme Court stated that its decision “leaves open many avenues for the Governor and Legislature to work together to address this challenge and we hope that this will take place.“ Instead, her Administration issued a new shutdown order on Nov. 15 and cited the Public Health Code, which gives the Department of Health and Human Services broad authority to “prohibit the gathering of people for any purpose” during an epidemic. The new restrictions mirror some of Ms. Whitmer’s edicts last spring.

The order lasts through Dec. 8, though nothing prevents the Whitmer Administration from extending it. The order prohibits indoor dining and effectively shuts down restaurants again, since few dine outside in a Michigan winter. Indoor gatherings at private residences are limited to no more than two households and no more than 10 people. Michiganders can go to a museum but not a movie theater or ice skating rink. The list of arbitrary restrictions goes on, and anyone who violates it risks fines or jail time.

Ms. Whitmer’s office did not respond to our request for comment. But the health agency’s director, Robert Gordon said that “the order rests firmly on epidemic powers given to the director of the Michigan Department of Health and Human Services after the Spanish Flu a century ago, and it is lawful.” We’ll see about that.

On Tuesday two restaurant owners and the Michigan Restaurant and Lodging Association, which represents more than 5,000 restaurants in the state, filed suit in federal court. They claim the emergency order denies restaurant owners’ due process and constitutes an unlawful taking of their property.

The suit says that proprietors of restaurants, cafes, bars and breweries “have lost the ability to use their real and personal property in any meaningful economically beneficial manner,” and they “have no adequate remedy at law for this continuing violation of their constitutional rights.” The complaint notes that some 2,000 establishments have already closed for good, and some 6,000 may soon follow if the restrictions aren’t lifted.

Instead of issuing a blanket ban on gatherings as the Public Health Code allows, the lawsuit claims, the health department has imposed “capricious, sporadic and selective regulations” that “irrationally single out restaurants and bars while permitting other non-essential businesses to offer indoor services.” This amounts to “improper, unconstitutional lawmaking” by the Whitmer Administration, the complaint suggests. The same pick-and-choose restrictions may also constitute an equal protection violation.

Americans have peaceably accepted coercive limits on their daily life that they couldn’t have imagined nine months ago. Yet a pandemic doesn’t negate the Constitution. As Supreme Court Justice Samuel Alito said last week, the longer emergency powers are in use, the more they become questionable under the law. The bars may be closed, but too many governors are drunk on power. Perhaps federal courts can sober them up.



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Re: Kelly Stafford tells it like it is

Post by MotorCityRadioFreak » Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:07 pm

The thing that pisses me off is that Detroit was solidly behind her during her brain tumor scare and concerned. This is how we are repaid? https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medica ... r-BB166whL


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Re: Kelly Stafford tells it like it is

Post by Rate This » Fri Nov 20, 2020 12:48 am

Matt wrote:
Thu Nov 19, 2020 7:35 pm
Rate This wrote:
Thu Nov 19, 2020 5:46 pm
Matt wrote:
Thu Nov 19, 2020 5:12 pm
MotorCityRadioFreak wrote:
Thu Nov 19, 2020 5:07 pm
Kelly Stafford is a cunt just like you are.
Maybe she is normally, but she's spot on here. Almost everyone is sick of tyrant Whitmer.
Governors red and blue are now doing the same thing. It’s not just here and it’s not just Whitmer. Get over yourself.
Stop with the bullshit justification. How many other governors got thrown shade by the WSJ editorial board?
Gretchen Whitmer Strikes Again

Rule by executive fiat in the states has become a hallmark of the pandemic, and Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer seems determined to push its limits. After a rebuke by the state Supreme Court, the Democrat has found a new statutory justification to continue her arbitrary emergency rule of one.

Michigan’s Emergency Management Act gives the Governor some emergency authority but requires legislative approval beyond 28 days. In October the state Supreme Court found Ms. Whitmer exceeded her authority by declaring a new emergency “for the identical reasons” after time ran out on the first one.

The court also struck down Michigan’s Emergency Powers of the Governor Act, saying that even amid a pandemic “the sheer magnitude of the authority in dispute, as well as its concentration in a single individual, simply cannot be sustained within our constitutional system of separated powers.”

The state Supreme Court stated that its decision “leaves open many avenues for the Governor and Legislature to work together to address this challenge and we hope that this will take place.“ Instead, her Administration issued a new shutdown order on Nov. 15 and cited the Public Health Code, which gives the Department of Health and Human Services broad authority to “prohibit the gathering of people for any purpose” during an epidemic. The new restrictions mirror some of Ms. Whitmer’s edicts last spring.

The order lasts through Dec. 8, though nothing prevents the Whitmer Administration from extending it. The order prohibits indoor dining and effectively shuts down restaurants again, since few dine outside in a Michigan winter. Indoor gatherings at private residences are limited to no more than two households and no more than 10 people. Michiganders can go to a museum but not a movie theater or ice skating rink. The list of arbitrary restrictions goes on, and anyone who violates it risks fines or jail time.

Ms. Whitmer’s office did not respond to our request for comment. But the health agency’s director, Robert Gordon said that “the order rests firmly on epidemic powers given to the director of the Michigan Department of Health and Human Services after the Spanish Flu a century ago, and it is lawful.” We’ll see about that.

On Tuesday two restaurant owners and the Michigan Restaurant and Lodging Association, which represents more than 5,000 restaurants in the state, filed suit in federal court. They claim the emergency order denies restaurant owners’ due process and constitutes an unlawful taking of their property.

The suit says that proprietors of restaurants, cafes, bars and breweries “have lost the ability to use their real and personal property in any meaningful economically beneficial manner,” and they “have no adequate remedy at law for this continuing violation of their constitutional rights.” The complaint notes that some 2,000 establishments have already closed for good, and some 6,000 may soon follow if the restrictions aren’t lifted.

Instead of issuing a blanket ban on gatherings as the Public Health Code allows, the lawsuit claims, the health department has imposed “capricious, sporadic and selective regulations” that “irrationally single out restaurants and bars while permitting other non-essential businesses to offer indoor services.” This amounts to “improper, unconstitutional lawmaking” by the Whitmer Administration, the complaint suggests. The same pick-and-choose restrictions may also constitute an equal protection violation.

Americans have peaceably accepted coercive limits on their daily life that they couldn’t have imagined nine months ago. Yet a pandemic doesn’t negate the Constitution. As Supreme Court Justice Samuel Alito said last week, the longer emergency powers are in use, the more they become questionable under the law. The bars may be closed, but too many governors are drunk on power. Perhaps federal courts can sober them up.
The morons at the Journal can get over themselves too for that matter.



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Re: Kelly Stafford tells it like it is

Post by MasterB » Fri Nov 20, 2020 1:05 am

I agree with Kelly and what she said and she did apologize for saying dictatorship which all the headlines from the media ran with it.


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Re: Kelly Stafford tells it like it is

Post by Matt » Fri Nov 20, 2020 5:07 am

Rate This wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 12:48 am
Matt wrote:
Thu Nov 19, 2020 7:35 pm
Rate This wrote:
Thu Nov 19, 2020 5:46 pm
Matt wrote:
Thu Nov 19, 2020 5:12 pm
MotorCityRadioFreak wrote:
Thu Nov 19, 2020 5:07 pm
Kelly Stafford is a cunt just like you are.
Maybe she is normally, but she's spot on here. Almost everyone is sick of tyrant Whitmer.
Governors red and blue are now doing the same thing. It’s not just here and it’s not just Whitmer. Get over yourself.
Stop with the bullshit justification. How many other governors got thrown shade by the WSJ editorial board?
Gretchen Whitmer Strikes Again

Rule by executive fiat in the states has become a hallmark of the pandemic, and Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer seems determined to push its limits. After a rebuke by the state Supreme Court, the Democrat has found a new statutory justification to continue her arbitrary emergency rule of one.

Michigan’s Emergency Management Act gives the Governor some emergency authority but requires legislative approval beyond 28 days. In October the state Supreme Court found Ms. Whitmer exceeded her authority by declaring a new emergency “for the identical reasons” after time ran out on the first one.

The court also struck down Michigan’s Emergency Powers of the Governor Act, saying that even amid a pandemic “the sheer magnitude of the authority in dispute, as well as its concentration in a single individual, simply cannot be sustained within our constitutional system of separated powers.”

The state Supreme Court stated that its decision “leaves open many avenues for the Governor and Legislature to work together to address this challenge and we hope that this will take place.“ Instead, her Administration issued a new shutdown order on Nov. 15 and cited the Public Health Code, which gives the Department of Health and Human Services broad authority to “prohibit the gathering of people for any purpose” during an epidemic. The new restrictions mirror some of Ms. Whitmer’s edicts last spring.

The order lasts through Dec. 8, though nothing prevents the Whitmer Administration from extending it. The order prohibits indoor dining and effectively shuts down restaurants again, since few dine outside in a Michigan winter. Indoor gatherings at private residences are limited to no more than two households and no more than 10 people. Michiganders can go to a museum but not a movie theater or ice skating rink. The list of arbitrary restrictions goes on, and anyone who violates it risks fines or jail time.

Ms. Whitmer’s office did not respond to our request for comment. But the health agency’s director, Robert Gordon said that “the order rests firmly on epidemic powers given to the director of the Michigan Department of Health and Human Services after the Spanish Flu a century ago, and it is lawful.” We’ll see about that.

On Tuesday two restaurant owners and the Michigan Restaurant and Lodging Association, which represents more than 5,000 restaurants in the state, filed suit in federal court. They claim the emergency order denies restaurant owners’ due process and constitutes an unlawful taking of their property.

The suit says that proprietors of restaurants, cafes, bars and breweries “have lost the ability to use their real and personal property in any meaningful economically beneficial manner,” and they “have no adequate remedy at law for this continuing violation of their constitutional rights.” The complaint notes that some 2,000 establishments have already closed for good, and some 6,000 may soon follow if the restrictions aren’t lifted.

Instead of issuing a blanket ban on gatherings as the Public Health Code allows, the lawsuit claims, the health department has imposed “capricious, sporadic and selective regulations” that “irrationally single out restaurants and bars while permitting other non-essential businesses to offer indoor services.” This amounts to “improper, unconstitutional lawmaking” by the Whitmer Administration, the complaint suggests. The same pick-and-choose restrictions may also constitute an equal protection violation.

Americans have peaceably accepted coercive limits on their daily life that they couldn’t have imagined nine months ago. Yet a pandemic doesn’t negate the Constitution. As Supreme Court Justice Samuel Alito said last week, the longer emergency powers are in use, the more they become questionable under the law. The bars may be closed, but too many governors are drunk on power. Perhaps federal courts can sober them up.
The morons at the Journal can get over themselves too for that matter.
Ah, the old name calling retort when you can't dispute a word they said...



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Re: Kelly Stafford tells it like it is

Post by Rate This » Fri Nov 20, 2020 5:50 am

I am getting tired of refuting the same tired entitled mindset that says “I’m the only one that matters, fuck you all and have a good time on oxygen, my freedom comes first”... it’s like dealing with fucking kindergarteners.



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Re: Kelly Stafford tells it like it is

Post by Matt » Fri Nov 20, 2020 8:25 am

Rate This wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 5:50 am
I am getting tired of refuting the same tired entitled mindset that says “I’m the only one that matters, fuck you all and have a good time on oxygen, my freedom comes first”... it’s like dealing with fucking kindergarteners.
You are so out of your lane on this shitty opinion. Gretchen Whitmer is an economic terrorist.



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Re: Kelly Stafford tells it like it is

Post by Rate This » Fri Nov 20, 2020 8:35 am

Matt wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 8:25 am
Rate This wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 5:50 am
I am getting tired of refuting the same tired entitled mindset that says “I’m the only one that matters, fuck you all and have a good time on oxygen, my freedom comes first”... it’s like dealing with fucking kindergarteners.
You are so out of your lane on this shitty opinion. Gretchen Whitmer is an economic terrorist.
Fantastic... if for some reason you’re otherwise healthy but have a) shitty genes that make you more susceptible or b) an unknown condition that makes you susceptible I don’t want to hear a damn thing from you. By going down this road you are firmly taking the “don’t pity the fool” route.



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Re: Kelly Stafford tells it like it is

Post by Matt » Fri Nov 20, 2020 8:50 am

Rate This wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 8:35 am
Matt wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 8:25 am
Rate This wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 5:50 am
I am getting tired of refuting the same tired entitled mindset that says “I’m the only one that matters, fuck you all and have a good time on oxygen, my freedom comes first”... it’s like dealing with fucking kindergarteners.
You are so out of your lane on this shitty opinion. Gretchen Whitmer is an economic terrorist.
Fantastic... if for some reason you’re otherwise healthy but have a) shitty genes that make you more susceptible or b) an unknown condition that makes you susceptible I don’t want to hear a damn thing from you. By going down this road you are firmly taking the “don’t pity the fool” route.
Again, you don't know what the fuck you are talking about.



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Re: Kelly Stafford tells it like it is

Post by Rate This » Fri Nov 20, 2020 9:03 am

Matt wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 8:50 am
Rate This wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 8:35 am
Matt wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 8:25 am
Rate This wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 5:50 am
I am getting tired of refuting the same tired entitled mindset that says “I’m the only one that matters, fuck you all and have a good time on oxygen, my freedom comes first”... it’s like dealing with fucking kindergarteners.
You are so out of your lane on this shitty opinion. Gretchen Whitmer is an economic terrorist.
Fantastic... if for some reason you’re otherwise healthy but have a) shitty genes that make you more susceptible or b) an unknown condition that makes you susceptible I don’t want to hear a damn thing from you. By going down this road you are firmly taking the “don’t pity the fool” route.
Again, you don't know what the fuck you are talking about.
In what way?



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Re: Kelly Stafford tells it like it is

Post by Matt » Fri Nov 20, 2020 9:46 am

Rate This wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 9:03 am
Matt wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 8:50 am
Rate This wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 8:35 am
Matt wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 8:25 am
Rate This wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 5:50 am
I am getting tired of refuting the same tired entitled mindset that says “I’m the only one that matters, fuck you all and have a good time on oxygen, my freedom comes first”... it’s like dealing with fucking kindergarteners.
You are so out of your lane on this shitty opinion. Gretchen Whitmer is an economic terrorist.
Fantastic... if for some reason you’re otherwise healthy but have a) shitty genes that make you more susceptible or b) an unknown condition that makes you susceptible I don’t want to hear a damn thing from you. By going down this road you are firmly taking the “don’t pity the fool” route.
Again, you don't know what the fuck you are talking about.
In what way?
There's a lot going on (or perhaps not going on is a better way to describe) at the state and county level. People and businesses that have done the right things and haven't had issues shouldn't be punished. Based on what I heard this morning, we'll be told no later than December 6, that the current restrictions (and possibly more) will be in place through December. Whitmer was encouraged to be more transparent about the timing and provide more actual information. She declined to do so.



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