Michigan going BACK INTO LOCKDOWN

[MWmetalhead]

There is a fine line between bars and restaurants. East Lansing, Royal Oak and Ferndale had outbreaks that started at such establishments.

I'd be OK with reduced capacity seating, but diners shouldn't be packed in like sardines.

As for the home infection risk, the temporary closure of high schools and colleges should help.

Families having Thanksgiving dinner at a home should be able to socially distance when eating unless it's a large family. Cramming a dozen people around a table is a stupid idea given what is currently happening. I do agree that home dinner parties are a big problem right now.

A vaccine will be available soon; people need to just be patient. By the way, to describe the latest emergency order as a "lockdown" is complete hyperbole. This isn't remotely close to a true lockdown.

[audiophile]

How much of the spike was caused by the election vs cold weather?

[bmw]

How much of the spike was caused by the election vs cold weather?

The timing puts it squarely in the camp of "weather." While cases had been very slowly climbing since bottoming out in mid-June, the current spike began in early to mid October and really took off in late October. Temperatures were SIGNIFICANTLY below average for the entirety of the second half of October, including not only Michigan, but pretty much the entire eastern 2/3 of the country as unseasonably cold arctic air plunged down all the way to the southest.

I think that the summer weather kept it under control more than people are giving credit. Keeping in mind that the virus didn't really get significantly spreading until early spring, last winter's numbers were significantly subdued.

[bmw]

By the way, to describe the latest emergency order as a "lockdown" is complete hyperbole. This isn't remotely close to a true lockdown.

I disagree. Let's recap:

All high schools - closed.
All colleges - closed.
All bars and restaurants - closed for indoor service.
All Theaters - closed.
All Stadiums and arenas - closed.
Bowling alleys - closed.
Ice skating rinks - closed.
Indoor water parks - closed.
Bingo halls - closed.
Casinos - closed.
Arcades - closed.
And perhaps biggest of all - All workers at any job must work from home if at all possible.

Sure sounds like a lockdown to me. Maybe not quite as extreme as the first one, but by any measure, this is a SIGNIFICANT restriction on the movement of otherwise free citizens.

[TC Talks]

You must acknowledge that Whitmer was much more sensitive to business this time.

By leaving younger kids in school, it allows people to continue to work without having to deal with childcare.

Now that she has science-based evidence, they went after businesses that have had the most likely opportunity for spread.

She didn't leave this order permanently, she left it for a 3-week period of time which science-based evidence has indicated is an effective way to slow the spread down.

In all, it is a compromise between the last time when we didn't know very much and the kind of insane things the Republicans were looking for.

This is what good governance looks like.

[audiophile]

I agree BMW. I got into a someone on FB challenging me on use the word "shutdown" for three weeks. She kept insisting the governor never said that.

Later she said admitted she turned it off TV when the governor finished, LOL!

[bmw]

She didn't leave this order permanently, she left it for a 3-week period of time...

Would you like to place some cash wagers on whether this gets extended beyond 3 weeks? The early one was temporary for a few weeks as well...and how many times did it get extended? I lost count at some point.

Also - does anyone really believe that had Whitmer not had her dictator-like powers stripped from here by the Michigan Supreme Court that today's order wouldn't ultimately be at least as strict as the first ones?

[Matt]

In all, it is a compromise between the last time when we didn't know very much and the kind of insane things the Republicans were looking for.

This is what good governance looks like.

This is false on all counts. Insane to "The Cuck" is wanting to be a co-equal branch as the constitution requires.

[bmw]

I agree BMW. I got into a someone on FB challenging me on use the word "shutdown" for three weeks. She kept insisting the governor never said that.

Later she said admitted she turned it off TV when the governor finished, LOL!

I would put it this way: Suggesting that today's order isn't a lockdown or shutdown would be like saying to someone serving life in prison who had been put into solitary confinement for a month, that upon pulling them out of solitary and putting them back into the prison's general population, that it is almost like they're out of prison.

[Deleted User 14896]

Some people want to see their family. Restaurants have not been spreading conduits.

Exactly. No one has gotten the virus from restaurants that follow proper spacing. No one has gotten the virus from a movie theater.

[TC Talks]

Some businesses require direct contact, like many medical exams and tests. How do you do PT in the cloud?

300,000 people have already left New York City since the Chinese virus was sent over, and the riots this Summer. Lots of businesses and homes are boarded up. Many will never return. There is going to be a H*** bust in rental properties, which businesses decided were no longer needed.

People have discovered that they can live without Broadway shows, Concerts, Night Life, etc. And "Sex And The City" is so over.

New York is doing fine. The infection rate in NYC is a mere 2.5%, not like 10% in Michigan.

Broadway is dark and will be until June at least. Anyone from Michigan or other hot states are required to be tested (NYC has plenty of testing) or go into quarantine.

They have a plan in place for business recovery.

Say what you want about NYC, but they told Trump to fuck off early and it's paying off.

[bmw]

They have a plan in place for business recovery.

What's their plan for the 3/4 of all bars and restaurants in the city that will permanently close their doors?

[Matt]

They have a plan in place for business recovery.

What's their plan for the 3/4 of all bars and restaurants in the city that will permanently close their doors?

He's already on record saying that chain franchises will come in. Fuck local places with character, Applebee's will have you eatin' good in the neighborhood.

[Matt]

In all, it is a compromise between the last time when we didn't know very much and the kind of insane things the Republicans were looking for.

This is what good governance looks like.

This is false on all counts. Insane to "The Cuck" is wanting to be a co-equal branch as the constitution requires.

Speaking of insane, Tyrant Whitmer's nursing home policy that the Republicans overturn fits that description perfectly.

[TC Talks]

They have a plan in place for business recovery.

What's their plan for the 3/4 of all bars and restaurants in the city that will permanently close their doors?

You do realize that they only had inside dining for a period of 7 weeks. Before September, there was no inside dining.

They have adapted months ago.

People who study the restaurant business in New York, not some outside off the cuff guess, estimate a third will close.

There is a plan in place. You do realize if New York had the same infection rate we have here, 1.2 million people would have covid.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/16/nyre ... covid.html