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Whitmer Misses The Mark

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Re: Whitmer Misses The Mark

Post by km1125 » Mon Apr 13, 2020 10:34 am

Part of that drop can be attributed to the drop in testing we've been doing each week, which is unexplainable. We should be testing MORE folks each week, even if that results in a lower percentage testing positive.



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Re: Whitmer Misses The Mark

Post by bmw » Mon Apr 13, 2020 10:43 am

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I’m still thinking they want to see a matter of weeks of down before they let their guard up or declare it going down. They can’t sit there and say “it’s going down!” And then have it go up 4 again days later... Then the message starts to look garbled.
I get that - but you shouldn't be outright lying about it either, saying daily cases are still rising and could peak in weeks when the reported numbers paint a very different story. Just say "we appear to be leveling off, which is good news, but we need to continue sheltering in place until we get far enough along the curve that we can shift to a strategy of isolation and containment."



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Re: Whitmer Misses The Mark

Post by bmw » Mon Apr 13, 2020 10:45 am

km1125 wrote:
Mon Apr 13, 2020 10:34 am
Part of that drop can be attributed to the drop in testing we've been doing each week, which is unexplainable. We should be testing MORE folks each week, even if that results in a lower percentage testing positive.
Do you have a source link for this? I've done some searching but can't find any articles suggesting that we're actually doing less testing each week. All I can find is articles saying that the labs might be lagging a bit over the holiday weekend.



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Re: Whitmer Misses The Mark

Post by km1125 » Mon Apr 13, 2020 12:04 pm

bmw wrote:
Mon Apr 13, 2020 10:45 am
km1125 wrote:
Mon Apr 13, 2020 10:34 am
Part of that drop can be attributed to the drop in testing we've been doing each week, which is unexplainable. We should be testing MORE folks each week, even if that results in a lower percentage testing positive.
Do you have a source link for this? I've done some searching but can't find any articles suggesting that we're actually doing less testing each week. All I can find is articles saying that the labs might be lagging a bit over the holiday weekend.
I got that right off the State of Michigan Corona website. I'll see if I can find it again



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Re: Whitmer Misses The Mark

Post by km1125 » Mon Apr 13, 2020 12:10 pm

km1125 wrote:
Mon Apr 13, 2020 12:04 pm
bmw wrote:
Mon Apr 13, 2020 10:45 am
km1125 wrote:
Mon Apr 13, 2020 10:34 am
Part of that drop can be attributed to the drop in testing we've been doing each week, which is unexplainable. We should be testing MORE folks each week, even if that results in a lower percentage testing positive.
Do you have a source link for this? I've done some searching but can't find any articles suggesting that we're actually doing less testing each week. All I can find is articles saying that the labs might be lagging a bit over the holiday weekend.
I got that right off the State of Michigan Corona website. I'll see if I can find it again
Ok.. here's the link: https://www.michigan.gov/coronavirus/0, ... --,00.html

On Mar 30, we conducted 7,283 tests and on April 8,9 and 10 we averaged less than 4,000 per day. I'd grant that the Mar 30 might have included some test from a prior day, so let's say it was really a 6,000 day. That's still a h u g e drop when we should be increasing tests every week.

Don't know if this will work, but here is a graphic from that site;
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Re: Whitmer Misses The Mark

Post by Rate This » Mon Apr 13, 2020 12:16 pm

km1125 wrote:
Mon Apr 13, 2020 12:10 pm
km1125 wrote:
Mon Apr 13, 2020 12:04 pm
bmw wrote:
Mon Apr 13, 2020 10:45 am
km1125 wrote:
Mon Apr 13, 2020 10:34 am
Part of that drop can be attributed to the drop in testing we've been doing each week, which is unexplainable. We should be testing MORE folks each week, even if that results in a lower percentage testing positive.
Do you have a source link for this? I've done some searching but can't find any articles suggesting that we're actually doing less testing each week. All I can find is articles saying that the labs might be lagging a bit over the holiday weekend.
I got that right off the State of Michigan Corona website. I'll see if I can find it again
Ok.. here's the link: https://www.michigan.gov/coronavirus/0, ... --,00.html

On Mar 30, we conducted 7,283 tests and on April 8,9 and 10 we averaged less than 4,000 per day. I'd grant that the Mar 30 might have included some test from a prior day, so let's say it was really a 6,000 day. That's still a h u g e drop when we should be increasing tests every week.

Don't know if this will work, but here is a graphic from that site;
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What became of the federal declaration that they were going to withdraw funding for further testing? Did they do that or back down?



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Re: Whitmer Misses The Mark

Post by km1125 » Mon Apr 13, 2020 1:04 pm

Rate This wrote:
Mon Apr 13, 2020 12:16 pm
km1125 wrote:
Mon Apr 13, 2020 12:10 pm
km1125 wrote:
Mon Apr 13, 2020 12:04 pm
bmw wrote:
Mon Apr 13, 2020 10:45 am
km1125 wrote:
Mon Apr 13, 2020 10:34 am
Part of that drop can be attributed to the drop in testing we've been doing each week, which is unexplainable. We should be testing MORE folks each week, even if that results in a lower percentage testing positive.
Do you have a source link for this? I've done some searching but can't find any articles suggesting that we're actually doing less testing each week. All I can find is articles saying that the labs might be lagging a bit over the holiday weekend.
I got that right off the State of Michigan Corona website. I'll see if I can find it again
Ok.. here's the link: https://www.michigan.gov/coronavirus/0, ... --,00.html

On Mar 30, we conducted 7,283 tests and on April 8,9 and 10 we averaged less than 4,000 per day. I'd grant that the Mar 30 might have included some test from a prior day, so let's say it was really a 6,000 day. That's still a h u g e drop when we should be increasing tests every week.

Don't know if this will work, but here is a graphic from that site;
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What became of the federal declaration that they were going to withdraw funding for further testing? Did they do that or back down?
Not sure...but are you saying (or implying) that if the feds don't pay we shouln't be doing it? Does the state have any responsibility to get these tests done, especially if theyre the ones who are preventing folks from opening their businesses or forcing taxpayers to stay home??



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Re: Whitmer Misses The Mark

Post by bmw » Mon Apr 13, 2020 1:46 pm

But is it possible that we're doing fewer tests simply because fewer people are sick and requesting to be tested? The dropoff in testing doesn't look quite as steep as the dropoff in positive test results.



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Re: Whitmer Misses The Mark

Post by km1125 » Mon Apr 13, 2020 2:00 pm

bmw wrote:
Mon Apr 13, 2020 1:46 pm
But is it possible that we're doing fewer tests simply because fewer people are sick and requesting to be tested? The dropoff in testing doesn't look quite as steep as the dropoff in positive test results.
that would only be the case if we keep restricting folks from testing, even though they have symptoms. They will not test unless you have all the symptoms and are able to get a prescription from a doc. We all know theres a lot of folks who have this and arent getting tested because they're not "bad enough" Originally, they limited testimg because of the lack of tests or testing centers, but those issues are largely solved. So whats the issue with opening up tests to anyone with symptoms??



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Re: Whitmer Misses The Mark

Post by Rate This » Mon Apr 13, 2020 2:22 pm

km1125 wrote:
Mon Apr 13, 2020 1:04 pm
Rate This wrote:
Mon Apr 13, 2020 12:16 pm
km1125 wrote:
Mon Apr 13, 2020 12:10 pm
km1125 wrote:
Mon Apr 13, 2020 12:04 pm
bmw wrote:
Mon Apr 13, 2020 10:45 am
km1125 wrote:
Mon Apr 13, 2020 10:34 am
Part of that drop can be attributed to the drop in testing we've been doing each week, which is unexplainable. We should be testing MORE folks each week, even if that results in a lower percentage testing positive.
Do you have a source link for this? I've done some searching but can't find any articles suggesting that we're actually doing less testing each week. All I can find is articles saying that the labs might be lagging a bit over the holiday weekend.
I got that right off the State of Michigan Corona website. I'll see if I can find it again
Ok.. here's the link: https://www.michigan.gov/coronavirus/0, ... --,00.html

On Mar 30, we conducted 7,283 tests and on April 8,9 and 10 we averaged less than 4,000 per day. I'd grant that the Mar 30 might have included some test from a prior day, so let's say it was really a 6,000 day. That's still a h u g e drop when we should be increasing tests every week.

Don't know if this will work, but here is a graphic from that site;
Image
What became of the federal declaration that they were going to withdraw funding for further testing? Did they do that or back down?
Not sure...but are you saying (or implying) that if the feds don't pay we shouln't be doing it? Does the state have any responsibility to get these tests done, especially if theyre the ones who are preventing folks from opening their businesses or forcing taxpayers to stay home??
I’m saying that the disaster declarations were tapping into federal money that they were threatening to turn off. That money was largely paying for the testing. Either way several of the federallly Funded level testing sites around the area were going to be Closing as of last Friday unless they backed down on it. Whether the state has the resources to go it 100% alone on testing or not is something I don’t know.



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Re: Whitmer Misses The Mark

Post by Rate This » Mon Apr 13, 2020 3:04 pm

The daily death toll is certainly on the upswing with a new daily high 210 reported today and there were nearly 1000 new cases reported today... that represents your curve going up...

The state is saying that the holiday weekend and lack of test processing is responsible for the lower numbers.



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Re: Whitmer Misses The Mark

Post by km1125 » Mon Apr 13, 2020 4:25 pm

Rate This wrote:
Mon Apr 13, 2020 3:04 pm
The daily death toll is certainly on the upswing with a new daily high 210 reported today and there were nearly 1000 new cases reported today... that represents your curve going up...

The state is saying that the holiday weekend and lack of test processing is responsible for the lower numbers.
If you average yesterday's and today's numbers we're still on the downslope.



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Re: Whitmer Misses The Mark

Post by Rate This » Mon Apr 13, 2020 4:27 pm

km1125 wrote:
Mon Apr 13, 2020 4:25 pm
Rate This wrote:
Mon Apr 13, 2020 3:04 pm
The daily death toll is certainly on the upswing with a new daily high 210 reported today and there were nearly 1000 new cases reported today... that represents your curve going up...

The state is saying that the holiday weekend and lack of test processing is responsible for the lower numbers.
If you average yesterday's and today's numbers we're still on the downslope.
But the last 4 Sunday’s have had markedly down reporting results.. it’d be like averaging 4 polls that say Trump is at 55-45 disapprove and a Rasmussen poll that says he’s up 55-45... we need to see whether Sunday was an outlier due to low testing or if today was an outlier due to an abnormal amount of testing held up by the holiday.



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Re: Whitmer Misses The Mark

Post by km1125 » Mon Apr 13, 2020 4:31 pm

Rate This wrote:
Mon Apr 13, 2020 4:27 pm
km1125 wrote:
Mon Apr 13, 2020 4:25 pm
Rate This wrote:
Mon Apr 13, 2020 3:04 pm
The daily death toll is certainly on the upswing with a new daily high 210 reported today and there were nearly 1000 new cases reported today... that represents your curve going up...

The state is saying that the holiday weekend and lack of test processing is responsible for the lower numbers.
If you average yesterday's and today's numbers we're still on the downslope.
But the last 4 Sunday’s have had markedly down reporting results.. it’d be like averaging 4 polls that say Trump is at 55-45 disapprove and a Rasmussen poll that says he’s up 55-45... we need to see whether Sunday was an outlier due to low testing or if today was an outlier due to an abnormal amount of testing held up by the holiday.
If you look at the last several weeks of data, it drops Sunday, spikes Monday then drops again Tuesday.



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Re: Whitmer Misses The Mark

Post by bmw » Mon Apr 13, 2020 4:39 pm

Today's numbers are actually a bit lower than I expected given the anomaly on Sunday. 997 averaged with yesterday's 6-something still keeps us right in line with that moving average curve I posted. New daily cases are falling and fairly drastically.

The rising death toll is not surprising as that is a lagging indicator that should be lagging 2-3 weeks behind the new-case totals anyways.



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