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WPON WCXI Updates - 2019

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KeenerGold
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Re: WPON WCXI Updates - 2019

Post by KeenerGold » Sat Sep 07, 2019 8:46 pm

When I worked at 'PON, we had a very specific contract that had to be signed to anyone that wanted to purchase time after pattern change. Weekends in the winter were a bitch, since we had ethnic programs that ran past 5:00pm. I used to hear "YOU LEAVE F***ING POWER UP" on a regular basis.



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Re: WPON WCXI Updates - 2019

Post by Colonel Flagg » Sun Sep 08, 2019 9:08 pm

MWmetalhead wrote:
Sat Sep 07, 2019 9:40 am
In my opinion, these piece of shit stations will never make it to the air so long as they remain under their current ownership. I've been saying that for over five years straight now!

My guess is Mr. Birach is trying to kick the can down the road as far as possible in hopes of finding a buyer. He likely doesn't want to spend the $$$ necessary to purchase, install and tune the transmitters to get these stations fully operational.

102.3 in Windsor has likely gobbled up much of the brokered ethnic business.

AM stations with decent 24/7 coverage in this market but are not at all well known to the masses only have a market value of $1 million to $2 million. Both of these stations will have absolutely terrible coverage between sunset and sunrise. That means fully built WCXI would probably only be worth $750,000 and WPON would probably be worth half that amount.

If an FM translator were part of the package, then market values would be different.
I think your numbers are still over inflated. Where exactly would you place the aforementioned translators?


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Re: WPON WCXI Updates - 2019

Post by Colonel Flagg » Sun Sep 08, 2019 9:24 pm

KeenerGold wrote:
Sat Sep 07, 2019 8:46 pm
When I worked at 'PON, we had a very specific contract that had to be signed to anyone that wanted to purchase time after pattern change. Weekends in the winter were a bitch, since we had ethnic programs that ran past 5:00pm. I used to hear "YOU LEAVE F***ING POWER UP" on a regular basis.
WPON should have never been moved out of Pontiac. You can't tell me there wasn't some sort of brownfield or industrial site available, somewhere in Pontiac proper, where those towers could have been placed, after the sale of the Bloomfield Twp property. I have often wondered what in the world the marketing plan was for Walled Lake anyway? That story never made a damned bit of sense to me.

For you young whippersnappers, WPON was, in fact, a LIVE, local, and very relevant community radio station prior to moving out to Walled Lake. Studios were in the Riker Building in downtown Pontiac. WPON had a news department, and DJs.


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Re: WPON WCXI Updates - 2019

Post by MWmetalhead » Mon Sep 09, 2019 8:35 am

I think your numbers are still over inflated. Where exactly would you place the aforementioned translators?
I don't think my numbers are over inflated. Plenty of comparables from within the past few years.

$750,000 for WCXI and $375,000 for WPON is about right, unless much more work on the technical plant is required than I'm assuming. Both numbers are predicated upon a valid CP being in effect. (If the CP is on the verge of lapsing and considerable extension denial risk exists, then obviously the above figures would be invalid.)

Re: the translators - that's my point. There are no FM translators tied to these stations and there are no unused frequencies available that would offer meaningful coverage. The Birach boys missed the boat entirely. Now, in order to obtain an FM translator, they'd have to purchase an existing one (or an existing CP) from someone else.

BTW, there would little if any sense in co-locating an FM translator transmission antenna at the WCXI / WPON CP site. You'd only be able to reach the northwestern fringe of the urbanized part of the Metro. In order for an FM translator paired with WCXI to have any value, it'd have to transmit from one of the big Southfield or Oak Park area towers. Think the Birach boys are going to spring for such an expense? No way! That's probably why they made zero effort to obtain an FM translator during the various filing windows.


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Re: WPON WCXI Updates - 2019

Post by CK-722 » Mon Sep 09, 2019 9:50 am

None of the existing translators cover the whole area, let alone new ones. If the frequencies are not duplicated in Canada, they are duplicated in neighboring markets in the US. And some of the translators that appear to have great signals may not be operating within FCC licensed power and modulation levels. Under new complaint procedures, you may even see many of these required to scale back and comply. Many of those US station 45 dBu contours go deeply into the Market on cochannels.

The FCC's prime directive was, and de jure is, to control interference. Not that the translators haven't made a mockery of this. If they had done the Canadian approach of more flexible technical rules years ago that alllowed AM to FM migration, there wouldn't be the problem that there is. But yet there's CanCon and format rules hobbling their potential.


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Re: WPON WCXI Updates - 2019

Post by SixPlusOne » Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:32 am

SixPlusOne wrote:
Thu Sep 05, 2019 1:29 pm
I am expecting another 20 year STA extension from WPON by the end of this week.
Well here it is however the content is actually different then I expected:

https://licensing.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.ex ... _num=22045

"Exhibit 14
Description: OPERATION REQUESTED

APPLICANT HAS COMPLETED A MOMENT METHOD PROOF OF PERFORMANCE AND IS IN THE PROCESS OF COMPLETING THE LICENSE TO COVER APPLICATION. APPLICANT REQUESTS FULL POWER OPERATION AT THE MODELED PARAMETERS PENDING SUBMISSION OF THE APPLICATION. APPLICANT CERTIFIES THAT REFERENCE POINT MEASUREMENTS WERE TAKEN AND ARE WITHIN THE AUTHORIZED VALUES. ATTACHED ARE THE WPON(AM) MOMENT METHOD DAY AND NIGHT ARRAY PARAMETER SHEETS."


Moment Method DAY Array Parameter Sheet

https://licensing.fcc.gov/cdbs/CDBS_Att ... &exhcnum=1

Moment Method NIGHT Pattern Parameter Sheet

https://licensing.fcc.gov/cdbs/CDBS_Att ... &exhcnum=2



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