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Location. Location, Location

Discussion pertaining to Detroit, Ann Arbor, Port Huron, and SW Ontario
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Location. Location, Location

Post by jsf » Fri Sep 04, 2015 10:34 am

As mentioned a couple of weeks ago why can't reporters give some idea of the area their talking about.This morning channel 7 did a story about a rat infestation in Livonia, the story said a home owner killed 21 rats in 2 weeks but nothing about where in Livonia this took place. I live in Livonia and I've had similar problems with rats for years but not quite that bad. I'd would be curious to what area because Livonia is a large city.Maybe this is just a generic story to fit any city or area with no details.

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Re: Location. Location, Location

Post by jry » Fri Sep 04, 2015 12:46 pm

Maybe they don't want a bunch of "Newsies" doing a drive by?



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Re: Location. Location, Location

Post by Deleted User 8570 » Fri Sep 04, 2015 1:19 pm

jry wrote:Maybe they don't want a bunch of "Newsies" doing a drive by?
Livonia is 36 square miles... Saying "Livonia" won't really cut it... At least the major cross streets say "in the area of 7 mile and Farmington" as an example. It doesn't need to have the make and model of lawnmower they own and how high the blade is set... Just generally about where. There's a lot of room between Redford and Northville Township to describe without narrowing it down.
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Re: Location. Location, Location

Post by ZenithCKLW » Fri Sep 04, 2015 3:29 pm

I also live in Livonia, and noticed the same thing about that story after re-reading it a few times on their iPhone app to see if I missed it. Annoying... as a story that could be relevant to me has no details for me to determine if it is or isn't. As it currently stands, the story is irrelevant and not useful to me.



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Re: Location. Location, Location

Post by SteveS » Fri Sep 04, 2015 4:01 pm

Looks like Westfield and Middlebelt area.

http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/m ... /71640766/



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Re: Location. Location, Location

Post by Love Pink » Sat Sep 05, 2015 6:59 am

I agree with the OP. I think it is annoying and just plain sloppy reporting when they don't give out a more detailed location. I see this happening more than you think. As of lately I have noticed this happening about once a week with Loco 4's newscasts. They will have a reporter on location for(just for example) a massive house fire in Detroit. They will spend several minutes on the story and mention that the fire is on Detroit's east side, but not mention the street or even general crossroads area. If you don't want to mention the street, that's fine. But the reporter could at least say that fire is around the 7 Mile and Gratiot area. That seems like journalism 101, IMO. I was taught that a good reporter does their very best to answer who? what? where? why? and how?



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Post by Deleted User 8570 » Sat Sep 05, 2015 10:25 am

Love Pink wrote:I agree with the OP. I think it is annoying and just plain sloppy reporting when they don't give out a more detailed location. I see this happening more than you think. As of lately I have noticed this happening about once a week with Loco 4's newscasts. They will have a reporter on location for(just for example) a massive house fire in Detroit. They will spend several minutes on the story and mention that the fire is on Detroit's east side, but not mention the street or even general crossroads area. If you don't want to mention the street, that's fine. But the reporter could at least say that fire is around the 7 Mile and Gratiot area. That seems like journalism 101, IMO. I was taught that a good reporter does their very best to answer who? what? where? why? and how?
Also when.. 5 W's and an H.



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Re: Location. Location, Location

Post by craig11152 » Sat Sep 05, 2015 11:01 am

ZenithCKLW wrote:I also live in Livonia, and noticed the same thing about that story after re-reading it a few times on their iPhone app to see if I missed it. Annoying... as a story that could be relevant to me has no details for me to determine if it is or isn't. As it currently stands, the story is irrelevant and not useful to me.
Seems like you shouldn't need the media to tell you if you have a rat problem around your house. And if the rat problem is 4 blocks away what are going to do about it? It's not like you can build a wall.
Here is your best bet... :blink
http://hubpages.com/hub/Top-10-Dog-Bree ... ching-Rats

Top of the list... a Rat Terrier, go figure.


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Re: Location. Location, Location

Post by craig11152 » Sat Sep 05, 2015 11:09 am

With respect to fires I wonder if the media is doing a favor to emergency responders by not being too specific? People are drawn to fires like moths to a porch light. It might be about trying to keep the area as clear as possible of onlookers.


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Re: Location. Location, Location

Post by Deleted User 8570 » Sat Sep 05, 2015 11:10 am

craig11152 wrote:With respect to fires I wonder if the media is doing a favor to emergency responders by not being too specific? People are drawn to fires like moths to a porch light. It might be about trying to keep the area as clear as possible of onlookers.
Drive around till you see smoke and follow it till you get there... Whatever place it occurs in is only so big...



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Re: Location. Location, Location

Post by craig11152 » Sat Sep 05, 2015 12:11 pm

NS8401 wrote:
craig11152 wrote:With respect to fires I wonder if the media is doing a favor to emergency responders by not being too specific? People are drawn to fires like moths to a porch light. It might be about trying to keep the area as clear as possible of onlookers.
Drive around till you see smoke and follow it till you get there... Whatever place it occurs in is only so big...
I still like my thought better than your answer. It can still be the difference between 20 onlookers and 200 onlookers .
A certain segment of the gawking public isn't going to drive around looking for smoke but if they are given an address then that tips the scales.


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Post by Deleted User 8570 » Sat Sep 05, 2015 12:47 pm

craig11152 wrote:
NS8401 wrote:
craig11152 wrote:With respect to fires I wonder if the media is doing a favor to emergency responders by not being too specific? People are drawn to fires like moths to a porch light. It might be about trying to keep the area as clear as possible of onlookers.
Drive around till you see smoke and follow it till you get there... Whatever place it occurs in is only so big...
I still like my thought better than your answer. It can still be the difference between 20 onlookers and 200 onlookers .
A certain segment of the gawking public isn't going to drive around looking for smoke but if they are given an address then that tips the scales.
True but should gawkers be the concern of the news?



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Re: Location. Location, Location

Post by craig11152 » Sat Sep 05, 2015 1:27 pm

NS8401 wrote:True but should gawkers be the concern of the news?
a fair question. I suggest a juggling act between the public's "right to know" and the safety surrounding a fire.
Does the public have a right and compelling need to know that 1234 Oak Street is on fire? If your answer is yes I guess we will disagree. Otherwise what level of "general area" is deemed acceptable by this crowd? If your not going to pinpoint the exact address then what makes within 2 block OK but within 10 blocks not OK?
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Re: Location. Location, Location

Post by Editorcj » Sat Sep 05, 2015 1:42 pm

In many cases the where in the 5 Ws is a detail and not that important to the meat of the story. A vacant house fire in Detroit is porno for pyros for 99% of the audience and the location is only important to those that live on the block and those people already know where the fire is. However other events do require a fairly specific location.

In my experience the location is usually the last detail reporters nail down for breaking news, the photographer drives there and knows where he is but the reporter is usually on the phone with sources trying to find out other details like was anybody hurt, who will be on the scene to talk to the media, how or why this happened and then at the last minute before air ask the photographer where are we. Personally I try and give the reporter the best location, like east side, Chalmers and Harper.



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Re: Location. Location, Location

Post by JackAttack FM » Thu Sep 10, 2015 12:45 am

craig wrote:...I wonder if the media is doing a favor to emergency responders by not being too specific? People are drawn to fires like moths to a porch light. It might be about trying to keep the area as clear as possible of onlookers... I suggest a juggling act between the public's "right to know" and the safety surrounding a fire. 
At most any incident the street or scene gets cordoned off. If a crowd gathers its mostly because they see smoke long before they see it on the news. You might also have a fire truck chaser or two show up because they heard it on the scanner. If TV stations would be worried about people showing up at the scene of some story they would never do any stories at all.

I've seen the consideration of drawing crowds while covering a story come up in newsrooms on a very few rare occasions. It always ends up falling pretty far down the list of concerns. Sending a reporter and crew into a dangerous neighborhood is a larger concern. A bright camera light draws just as many "moths."
The real juggling act is getting to the scene and on the air first.

I agree completely with cj.
But, since Livonia is 36 square miles, a more specific location would be necessary to people living there.
jry wrote:Maybe they don't want a bunch of "Newsies" doing a drive by?
Drive by what? You are kidding right?
How did you even get that from a story about a guy who killed rats at his house???



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