President Biden steps aside

[TC Talks]

Interesting idea Turkey Top. I can't see Vance getting through the process for the court although ambassador to some small country may work. Trump needs the female vote and Haley would be a H*** help there.

Your guess at the Vegas odds of that happening?

Haley has already lost some of her supporters

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Interesting idea Turkey Top. I can't see Vance getting through the process for the court although ambassador to some small country may work. Trump needs the female vote and Haley would be a H*** help there.

He won’t put a woman there. He hates Haley’s guts.

[bmw]

I could see a pick like Tulsi Gabbard, but she would bring an entirely different set of problems to the ticket, AND such a move would be viewed as a hail mary pass.

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I could see a pick like Tulsi Gabbard, but she would bring an entirely different set of problems to the ticket, AND such a move would be viewed as a hail mary pass.

If this goes on for another week he’ll be in Hail Mary territory. We are watching a collapse in real time here.

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For the record, I am - at the moment anyways - disappointed in the Trump campaign's lack of focus. If I were the one advising, I would say focus on her voting record as a Senator, her walking in lock-step with Biden's policies as VP, and in particular, I would go hard after her about our southern border problem. She was assigned a prominent role by Biden in dealing with the border crisis, and well, we see how well that worked out. If you remember, Kamala avoided visiting the border for some time, even leading up to the now-infamous interview with Lester Holt where she said "well, I haven't been to Europe, either."

You realize that visiting the border is just a photo-op right? Additionally the individual policies put forward by Democrats usually poll well… it’s the fear tactics of Republicans that hurt them.

If she’s such a weak candidate why is Mr. “Any time any place” terrified of her?

A majority of Americans (anywhere from slim majority to large majority depending on the poll) support mass deportations.

And I don't buy into the narrative that Trump is "terrified" to debate Kamala. I read the same nonsense leading up to the Trump-Biden debate and we all know how that one turned out.

Funny thing… there are two forms of kicking people out… expulsions (just throwing them out) and deportations (formally in front of a judge). Biden had more expulsions in his first two years than Trump did in his 4 years total. It’s not politically feasible to trumpet that but it’s a fact.

Politico has an interesting read on the subject wondering how Trump can possibly squeeze much more out of a system that’s already at the red line:

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/ ... n-00167914

[MotorCityRadioFreak]

I honestly believe that neither candidate will have more than 300 electoral votes, and both will score above 240. Couldn’t completely rule out a 269 all tie.

Trump’s goons are already attacking on the border. I have heard the anti Harris commercial 7 times in 24 hours on Youtube.Less than 2 hours of viewing time.

[km1125]

Funny thing… there are two forms of kicking people out… expulsions (just throwing them out) and deportations (formally in front of a judge). Biden had more expulsions in his first two years than Trump did in his 4 years total. It’s not politically feasible to trumpet that but it’s a fact.

Politico has an interesting read on the subject wondering how Trump can possibly squeeze much more out of a system that’s already at the red line:

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/ ... n-00167914

You can twist the stats to make it look good, but if they didn't let them in in the first place, they wouldn't have to deport them using either method. Let 13 million in and deport 1 million... is that better than only letting 6 million in and deporting 500,000?

It costs a lot of money and takes a lot of resources to fix the problems AFTER you let folks cross the border that shouldn't be allowed to cross the border. And for some reason, we then own the responsibility to return them to their home country rather than just kick them back across the border they entered through. Those folks should be MEXICO's problem, not ours and if we stopped letting them in then maybe MEXICO would be more interested in protecting THEIR own borders to the south!

That’s because deporting any one person costs thousands of dollars, and it’s a legally and logistically dense quagmire. First, there’s the matter of actually locating and arresting people. There’s no master list of where undocumented immigrants live, and ICE has only a tiny fraction of the total undocumented population under supervision. Then, of course, there’s only a finite number of agents. Biden (like Obama before him) has instructed ICE to prioritize removing the “worst of the worst” — drug dealers, terrorists, sex traffickers, etc. — and so many agents, instead of focusing on arresting as many immigrants as possible, instead focus on tracking down and removing specific fugitives. Under Trump, the number of people in ICE custody shot up, largely because his administration pushed ICE to arrest anyone, not just known criminals.

However, even if ICE arrests more people, the Feds run into the second problem: detaining them. Congress has only funded ICE to jail an average population of 34,000 migrants per day, and, even with more funding, ICE doesn’t have the physical jail space to detain much more than that. These detentions can last months, even years, because the legal process of deporting someone is lengthy, and there’s already a court backlog of over 3 million people. There’s also the nasty business of putting children in jail — much of the undocumented population in the U.S. is underage.

Then there’s the third problem. Even after ICE has a deportation order in hand, there’s the matter of actually getting them out of the country. Deportations to Mexico happen via bus, but deportations anywhere else (besides the rare ones to Canada) require a plane, and ICE’s fleet of contractors is limited. One of its largest passenger flight contractors, iAreo, ceased operations in April after an unsuccessful attempt to navigate bankruptcy. And ICE Air, like any other fleet, has to contend with the nationwide pilot shortage.

Finally, fourth, there’s the not-so-simple matter of landing the deportation planes in a foreign country. Some countries — like Venezuela — do not accept deportations of their own nationals from the U.S., and many more countries make it exceedingly difficult. Brazil, for instance, accepts deportation flights, but requires so much forewarning and paperwork that it’s hard to deport people in meaningful numbers. In this area, Biden has had some surprising success: his diplomats have convinced historically recalcitrant countries, like Cuba and China, to accept deportations — in fact, by some estimates, Biden has deported people to more countries than any other president—more than 170 nations.

[Honeyman]

BUILD THE WALL AND MAKE MEXICO PAY FOR IT!!

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Funny thing… there are two forms of kicking people out… expulsions (just throwing them out) and deportations (formally in front of a judge). Biden had more expulsions in his first two years than Trump did in his 4 years total. It’s not politically feasible to trumpet that but it’s a fact.

Politico has an interesting read on the subject wondering how Trump can possibly squeeze much more out of a system that’s already at the red line:

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/ ... n-00167914

You can twist the stats to make it look good, but if they didn't let them in in the first place, they wouldn't have to deport them using either method. Let 13 million in and deport 1 million... is that better than only letting 6 million in and deporting 500,000?

It costs a lot of money and takes a lot of resources to fix the problems AFTER you let folks cross the border that shouldn't be allowed to cross the border. And for some reason, we then own the responsibility to return them to their home country rather than just kick them back across the border they entered through. Those folks should be MEXICO's problem, not ours and if we stopped letting them in then maybe MEXICO would be more interested in protecting THEIR own borders to the south!

That’s because deporting any one person costs thousands of dollars, and it’s a legally and logistically dense quagmire. First, there’s the matter of actually locating and arresting people. There’s no master list of where undocumented immigrants live, and ICE has only a tiny fraction of the total undocumented population under supervision. Then, of course, there’s only a finite number of agents. Biden (like Obama before him) has instructed ICE to prioritize removing the “worst of the worst” — drug dealers, terrorists, sex traffickers, etc. — and so many agents, instead of focusing on arresting as many immigrants as possible, instead focus on tracking down and removing specific fugitives. Under Trump, the number of people in ICE custody shot up, largely because his administration pushed ICE to arrest anyone, not just known criminals.

However, even if ICE arrests more people, the Feds run into the second problem: detaining them. Congress has only funded ICE to jail an average population of 34,000 migrants per day, and, even with more funding, ICE doesn’t have the physical jail space to detain much more than that. These detentions can last months, even years, because the legal process of deporting someone is lengthy, and there’s already a court backlog of over 3 million people. There’s also the nasty business of putting children in jail — much of the undocumented population in the U.S. is underage.

Then there’s the third problem. Even after ICE has a deportation order in hand, there’s the matter of actually getting them out of the country. Deportations to Mexico happen via bus, but deportations anywhere else (besides the rare ones to Canada) require a plane, and ICE’s fleet of contractors is limited. One of its largest passenger flight contractors, iAreo, ceased operations in April after an unsuccessful attempt to navigate bankruptcy. And ICE Air, like any other fleet, has to contend with the nationwide pilot shortage.

Finally, fourth, there’s the not-so-simple matter of landing the deportation planes in a foreign country. Some countries — like Venezuela — do not accept deportations of their own nationals from the U.S., and many more countries make it exceedingly difficult. Brazil, for instance, accepts deportation flights, but requires so much forewarning and paperwork that it’s hard to deport people in meaningful numbers. In this area, Biden has had some surprising success: his diplomats have convinced historically recalcitrant countries, like Cuba and China, to accept deportations — in fact, by some estimates, Biden has deported people to more countries than any other president—more than 170 nations.

There’s a door they shove them through back into Mexico every day. Those are called expulsions. That’s the other method that isn’t deportations. Biden has been using that more than any President in the 21st century and more in his first two years than Trumps 4 combined. Where exactly do you think all the people that are removed go and how? WE throw them out. They sometimes camp out by the door but that’s a Mexico problem on their side.

Secondly there IS NO PHYSICAL WAY to secure the entirety of the southern border so NOBODY gets in. You go ahead and wish for a wall. The cartels have tunnels to send people or goods through. Professional concrete tunnels made using mining equipment. Get real man. Trumps current 10 miles of wall and several hundred miles of mended fence aren’t stopping anybody.

[bmw]

I honestly believe that neither candidate will have more than 300 electoral votes, and both will score above 240. Couldn’t completely rule out a 269 all tie.

There's no feasible electoral path to a 269-269 tie. However, if Harris sweeps PA, MI, and WI, and Trump takes NV and AZ, you would have a 270-268 win for Harris. If that were to happen, it would only take 1 unfaithful elector to wreak havoc.

The math as it stands today is 251-226 in favor of Trump with the following states in play:

PA 19
MI 15
AZ 11
WI 10
NV 6

(and sorry, contrary to what others might think, Georgia will absolutely go red).

If Trump wins PA, it is over. No matter what (unless you have 270-268 Trump and an unfaithful elector)

If Harris takes PA, Trump would need NV+MI or 2 of the 3 of MI+AZ+WI. I think AZ probably goes red.

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I honestly believe that neither candidate will have more than 300 electoral votes, and both will score above 240. Couldn’t completely rule out a 269 all tie.

There's no feasible electoral path to a 269-269 tie. However, if Harris sweeps PA, MI, and WI, and Trump takes NV and AZ, you would have a 270-268 win for Harris. If that were to happen, it would only take 1 unfaithful elector to wreak havoc.

The math as it stands today is 251-226 in favor of Trump with the following states in play:

PA 19
MI 15
AZ 11
WI 10
NV 6

(and sorry, contrary to what others might think, Georgia will absolutely go red).

If Trump wins PA, it is over. No matter what (unless you have 270-268 Trump and an unfaithful elector)

If Harris takes PA, Trump would need NV+MI or 2 of the 3 of MI+AZ+WI. I think AZ probably goes red.

Arizona has an abortion ballot measure. Do not discount that. The amount of enthusiasm among minority groups for her candidacy is very high. It’s far from time to rule out North Carolina or Georgia especially given the demographic shifts there and the turnout equation.

[Honeyman]

Emerson has Georgia a 2 point race.

https://emersoncollegepolling.com/july- ... wisconsin/

[Honeyman]

I honestly believe that neither candidate will have more than 300 electoral votes, and both will score above 240. Couldn’t completely rule out a 269 all tie.

There's no feasible electoral path to a 269-269 tie. However, if Harris sweeps PA, MI, and WI, and Trump takes NV and AZ, you would have a 270-268 win for Harris. If that were to happen, it would only take 1 unfaithful elector to wreak havoc.

The math as it stands today is 251-226 in favor of Trump with the following states in play:

PA 19
MI 15
AZ 11
WI 10
NV 6

(and sorry, contrary to what others might think, Georgia will absolutely go red).

If Trump wins PA, it is over. No matter what (unless you have 270-268 Trump and an unfaithful elector)

If Harris takes PA, Trump would need NV+MI or 2 of the 3 of MI+AZ+WI. I think AZ probably goes red.

Arizona has an abortion ballot measure. Do not discount that.

Add in Mark Kelly......(maybe).....

[MotorCityRadioFreak]

I honestly believe that neither candidate will have more than 300 electoral votes, and both will score above 240. Couldn’t completely rule out a 269 all tie.

There's no feasible electoral path to a 269-269 tie. However, if Harris sweeps PA, MI, and WI, and Trump takes NV and AZ, you would have a 270-268 win for Harris. If that were to happen, it would only take 1 unfaithful elector to wreak havoc.

The math as it stands today is 251-226 in favor of Trump with the following states in play:

PA 19
MI 15
AZ 11
WI 10
NV 6

(and sorry, contrary to what others might think, Georgia will absolutely go red).

If Trump wins PA, it is over. No matter what (unless you have 270-268 Trump and an unfaithful elector)

If Harris takes PA, Trump would need NV+MI or 2 of the 3 of MI+AZ+WI. I think AZ probably goes red.

The Black vote in Georgia has increased in the last decade due to the Atlanta metro sprawl. I would not count those people out. Blacks from Atlanta vote and have an axe to grind with those Aldean white conservatives.

[paul8539]

Just deport all of them to Mexico and let Mexico worry about them.