Netanyahu jeopardizes US relationship

[TC Talks]

If Netanyahu wants to continue to attack citizens, he will do it without the support of the US. As of today, 34,000 citizens killed and 78,000 injured.

I can't imagine the Israeli people will support him much longer.

President Biden’s warning over halting weapons supplies has tightened the bind that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel faces, as he is increasingly caught between international calls for a cease-fire and right-wing Israeli demands to proceed with a wide-scale invasion of Rafah, in southern Gaza.

Mr. Netanyahu, who has insisted over American objections that invading Rafah is necessary, now finds the U.S.-Israel relationship at a moment of crisis that could affect how he conducts the next phase of the war against Hamas.

On Thursday, the Israeli leader, alluding to Mr. Biden’s remarks, said in a statement: “If we need to stand alone, we will stand alone. I have said that, if necessary, we will fight with our fingernails. But we have much more than fingernails and with that same strength of spirit, with God’s help, together we will win.”

With Mr. Biden threatening for the first time to withhold more American weapons, including heavy bombs and artillery shells, if Israel carries out a major operation in Rafah, a city crammed with about a million Palestinians, analysts say that the Israeli military risks losing the support of its most important supplier of foreign arms.

“The United States provides Israel with a steel dome — it’s not only military support; it’s strategic and political; it’s at the United Nations, the international court, and so on,” said Amos Gilead, a former senior Israeli defense official who worked closely with American security officials for decades.

“If we lose the United States with the unbelievable friendship of President Biden, it won’t be forgiven,” he added.

NY Times

[TC Talks]

Today IDF went over the line of decency and even the CIA is call for international response.

[MotorCityRadioFreak]

The Zionist extremists have shown their true colors. I love the Jewish people, but the geopolitical influence of Netanyahu has to stop.

[TC Talks]

The Zionist extremists have shown their true colors. I love the Jewish people, but the geopolitical influence of Netanyahu has to stop.

This attack was a big misstep

[Bail Bonds]

Netanyahu's actions are a response to the existential threats posed by Hamas, which has a long history of aggression towards Israel. The high casualty toll is tragic but should be attributed to Hamas, which uses civilian areas as shields for its military operations. While the strain on the U.S.-Israel relationship is regrettable, Israel's security decisions are imperative in safeguarding its citizens. Netanyahu's tough stance is necessary to dismantle Hamas's capabilities and ensure Israel's long-term stability and security.

[TC Talks]

Netanyahu's actions are a response to the existential threats posed by Hamas, which has a long history of aggression towards Israel. The high casualty toll is tragic but should be attributed to Hamas, which uses civilian areas as shields for its military operations. While the strain on the U.S.-Israel relationship is regrettable, Israel's security decisions are imperative in safeguarding its citizens. Netanyahu's tough stance is necessary to dismantle Hamas's capabilities and ensure Israel's long-term stability and security.

The rest of the world and many if not most of the Israeli people disagree with your logic. That is why Netanyahu is losing support, he is using a strategy that has proven to be more harmful than successful.

Turkey has suspended trade with Israel. The world’s top court is considering whether Israeli leaders have committed genocide. Protests have overtaken cities and campuses worldwide. Ireland and Spain say they will recognize Palestine as a state by the end of the month.

Even the United States — long Israel’s closest ally and benefactor — is threatening for the first time since the war began to withhold certain arms shipments.

Seven months after much of the world pledged its support to Israel following a Hamas-led terrorist attack, the country finds itself increasingly isolated. With a war that has killed more than 34,000 Palestinians and left Gaza on the verge of famine, any international good will that Israel amassed on Oct. 7 has been all but lost.

Of greatest concern to Israel: splintering relations with the United States. President Biden, once quiet about his expectations that Israel limit civilian deaths and increase access to humanitarian aid, has become more vocal amid partisan political pressure in an election year.

Plagiarized from NY Times (for BMW's benefit)

[zzand]

Netanyahu has publicly stated that if need be Israel will stand alone in their continuing action against Hamas. I have noticed that Iran has been mostly silent since being embarrassed in their attack against Israel. Not sure if this is good or bad but it is interesting.

[TC Talks]

Netanyahu has publicly stated that if need be Israel will stand alone in their continuing action against Hamas. I have noticed that Iran has been mostly silent since being embarrassed in their attack against Israel. Not sure if this is good or bad but it is interesting.

Iran might very well be an empty shirt.

[Bail Bonds]

Netanyahu's actions are a response to the existential threats posed by Hamas, which has a long history of aggression towards Israel. The high casualty toll is tragic but should be attributed to Hamas, which uses civilian areas as shields for its military operations. While the strain on the U.S.-Israel relationship is regrettable, Israel's security decisions are imperative in safeguarding its citizens. Netanyahu's tough stance is necessary to dismantle Hamas's capabilities and ensure Israel's long-term stability and security.

The rest of the world and many if not most of the Israeli people disagree with your logic. That is why Netanyahu is losing support, he is using a strategy that has proven to be more harmful than successful.

Turkey has suspended trade with Israel. The world’s top court is considering whether Israeli leaders have committed genocide. Protests have overtaken cities and campuses worldwide. Ireland and Spain say they will recognize Palestine as a state by the end of the month.

Even the United States — long Israel’s closest ally and benefactor — is threatening for the first time since the war began to withhold certain arms shipments.

Seven months after much of the world pledged its support to Israel following a Hamas-led terrorist attack, the country finds itself increasingly isolated. With a war that has killed more than 34,000 Palestinians and left Gaza on the verge of famine, any international good will that Israel amassed on Oct. 7 has been all but lost.

Of greatest concern to Israel: splintering relations with the United States. President Biden, once quiet about his expectations that Israel limit civilian deaths and increase access to humanitarian aid, has become more vocal amid partisan political pressure in an election year.

Plagiarized from NY Times (for BMW's benefit)

Netanyahu's loss of support has more to do with the world being unprepared for the brutality of Israel than anything else, but what will happen if third parties step in to negotiate peace or to broker some sort of deal? What does history tell us? How many times do these attacks need to happen? When you have sub-human slime paraglide into your country and attack you, its time to take the kid gloves off.

And this isn't the first time Israel has been attacked, this has been happening for many decades. The fool will point to Israel as the cause, but history teaches otherwise. Basically, this inhumane and barbaric fight will happen sooner or later, and by pulling them apart now, the only lesson learned will be that when the going gets tough, make sure more dead civilians and children end up on camera. Of course its horrifying and I hate that it is this way, but all that will happen by pulling them apart now is a guarantee that more civilians and children will be used as shields in the future because these bastards will learn that it is their most effective tactic to get what they want.

Don't be naive, stopping this war right now guarantees that it will start back up again when Hamas is good and ready. The Palestinians are in a position where their greatest motivator is fear, and they need to be taught to fear Israel's reaction to continued involvement with Hamas more than Hamas themselves. Once that happens, and the Palestinians remove Hamas, then peace can happen. But if it takes Israel removing every Palestinian to snuff out Hamas, the history of the situation is evidence enough that such an undertaking is warranted.

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Netanyahu's actions are a response to the existential threats posed by Hamas, which has a long history of aggression towards Israel. The high casualty toll is tragic but should be attributed to Hamas, which uses civilian areas as shields for its military operations. While the strain on the U.S.-Israel relationship is regrettable, Israel's security decisions are imperative in safeguarding its citizens. Netanyahu's tough stance is necessary to dismantle Hamas's capabilities and ensure Israel's long-term stability and security.

The rest of the world and many if not most of the Israeli people disagree with your logic. That is why Netanyahu is losing support, he is using a strategy that has proven to be more harmful than successful.

Turkey has suspended trade with Israel. The world’s top court is considering whether Israeli leaders have committed genocide. Protests have overtaken cities and campuses worldwide. Ireland and Spain say they will recognize Palestine as a state by the end of the month.

Even the United States — long Israel’s closest ally and benefactor — is threatening for the first time since the war began to withhold certain arms shipments.

Seven months after much of the world pledged its support to Israel following a Hamas-led terrorist attack, the country finds itself increasingly isolated. With a war that has killed more than 34,000 Palestinians and left Gaza on the verge of famine, any international good will that Israel amassed on Oct. 7 has been all but lost.

Of greatest concern to Israel: splintering relations with the United States. President Biden, once quiet about his expectations that Israel limit civilian deaths and increase access to humanitarian aid, has become more vocal amid partisan political pressure in an election year.

Plagiarized from NY Times (for BMW's benefit)

Netanyahu's loss of support has more to do with the world being unprepared for the brutality of Israel than anything else, but what will happen if third parties step in to negotiate peace or to broker some sort of deal? What does history tell us? How many times do these attacks need to happen? When you have sub-human slime paraglide into your country and attack you, its time to take the kid gloves off.

And this isn't the first time Israel has been attacked, this has been happening for many decades. The fool will point to Israel as the cause, but history teaches otherwise. Basically, this inhumane and barbaric fight will happen sooner or later, and by pulling them apart now, the only lesson learned will be that when the going gets tough, make sure more dead civilians and children end up on camera. Of course its horrifying and I hate that it is this way, but all that will happen by pulling them apart now is a guarantee that more civilians and children will be used as shields in the future because these bastards will learn that it is their most effective tactic to get what they want.

Don't be naive, stopping this war right now guarantees that it will start back up again when Hamas is good and ready. The Palestinians are in a position where their greatest motivator is fear, and they need to be taught to fear Israel's reaction to continued involvement with Hamas more than Hamas themselves. Once that happens, and the Palestinians remove Hamas, then peace can happen. But if it takes Israel removing every Palestinian to snuff out Hamas, the history of the situation is evidence enough that such an undertaking is warranted.

There are high odds he and his government get the boot from within soon. He’s not popular there.

[MotorCityRadioFreak]

Netanyahu has publicly stated that if need be Israel will stand alone in their continuing action against Hamas. I have noticed that Iran has been mostly silent since being embarrassed in their attack against Israel. Not sure if this is good or bad but it is interesting.

Iran is like a little toddler crying for attention, and Netanyahu is the bully beating up the disabled kid(Gaza).

[Round Six]

Don't be naive, stopping this war right now guarantees that it will start back up again when Hamas is good and ready. The Palestinians are in a position where their greatest motivator is fear, and they need to be taught to fear Israel's reaction to continued involvement with Hamas more than Hamas themselves. Once that happens, and the Palestinians remove Hamas, then peace can happen. But if it takes Israel removing every Palestinian to snuff out Hamas, the history of the situation is evidence enough that such an undertaking is warranted.

Most accurate comment of all so far.

[Round Six]

There are high odds he and his government get the boot from within soon. He’s not popular there.

I'm curious how you were able to ascertain the citizens of Israel are disgruntled over how their leaders are dealing with Hamas.

[TC Talks]

There are high odds he and his government get the boot from within soon. He’s not popular there.

I'm curious how you were able to ascertain the citizens of Israel are disgruntled over how their leaders are dealing with Hamas.

A quick Google search reveals the dissatisfied citizens in Israel. Hamas and Israel had a peace deal / hostage swap finished last week when he ordered the attack of Rafah. Being a parliamentary government, it just takes a call to vote to remove him from office.

Tens of thousands of people across Israel joined the families of hostages this weekend to protest against the government and call for the removal of Benjamin Netanyahu, as the Israeli prime minister grappled with one of the most serious threats yet to his coalition.

The protesters in Tel Aviv, Jerusalem, Haifa, Be’er Sheva, Caesarea and other cities on Saturday – and at a further demonstration outside the Knesset in Jerusalem on Sunday – demanded the release of those still held captive in Gaza after close to six months, and labelled Netanyahu an “obstacle to the deal”, vowing to persist until he leaves power
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The families of hostages have urged ministers, including Netanyahu’s political rival and war cabinet minister Benny Gantz, to unite with other MKs in removing Netanyahu from power, accusing the PM of deliberately sabotaging efforts to secure the release of their relatives.

Guardian

[Lester The Nightfly]

Netanyahu's actions are a response to the existential threats posed by Hamas, which has a long history of aggression towards Israel. The high casualty toll is tragic but should be attributed to Hamas, which uses civilian areas as shields for its military operations. While the strain on the U.S.-Israel relationship is regrettable, Israel's security decisions are imperative in safeguarding its citizens. Netanyahu's tough stance is necessary to dismantle Hamas's capabilities and ensure Israel's long-term stability and security.

The failure is the disproportional response by Netanyahu. It's analogous to neighbors having a long running dispute about a pet. One day a neighbor goes out and shoots the pet. In response the other neighbor shoots the neighbor's pet, shoots the family and burns the house down.

(Before anyone pipes up about any moral, ethnic or religious implications, I'm using this example as disproportional response. Nothing more, nothing less.