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Re: DeSantis orders Americans to leave their homes

Post by TC Talks » Thu Sep 29, 2022 5:33 pm

km1125 wrote:
Thu Sep 29, 2022 2:58 pm
TC Talks wrote:
Thu Sep 29, 2022 2:28 pm
This is a President responds to a natural disaster on US soil... Remember how Trump handled Puerto Rico?
President Biden said his designation of Florida as a major disaster area will allow residents of affected areas to request up to $37,900 toward home repairs and another $37,900 for loss of things like cars or other personal property.
Well, he is good about handing out money to just about anyone (money that he doesn't earn and doesn't have)!!
Wait for it... DeSantis requested it, even for Migrants...


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Re: DeSantis orders Americans to leave their homes

Post by Lester The Nightfly » Thu Sep 29, 2022 5:37 pm

km1125 wrote:
Thu Sep 29, 2022 2:58 pm
TC Talks wrote:
Thu Sep 29, 2022 2:28 pm
This is a President responds to a natural disaster on US soil... Remember how Trump handled Puerto Rico?
President Biden said his designation of Florida as a major disaster area will allow residents of affected areas to request up to $37,900 toward home repairs and another $37,900 for loss of things like cars or other personal property.
Well, he is good about handing out money to just about anyone (money that he doesn't earn and doesn't have)!!
And conservatives who rant and rave about personal fiscal responsibility like quit buying lattes at Starbucks or getting a new iPhone are all too happy to wait in line to stuff their pockets with gubmint cash.
President Biden said his designation of Florida as a major disaster area will allow residents of affected areas to request up to $37,900 toward home repairs and another $37,900 for loss of things like cars or other personal property.
Seems to me residents should be looking at the private sector (i.e. Go to the bank and get a loan like everyone else in the country does when they are faced with unexpected expenses) for repair assistance. If your insurance doesn't cover the damages, maybe you're underinsured. I'm 1000% in favor of federal assistance in rebuilding infrastructure. Everything else, nope. Aren't the conservatives repulsed about government handouts?



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Re: DeSantis orders Americans to leave their homes

Post by TC Talks » Thu Sep 29, 2022 6:03 pm

I heard Trump has already applied for his check....


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Re: DeSantis orders Americans to leave their homes

Post by Lester The Nightfly » Thu Sep 29, 2022 6:11 pm

TC Talks wrote:
Thu Sep 29, 2022 6:03 pm
I heard Trump has already applied for his check....
He lives for this shit. Just another opportunity to overinflate losses and damages to squeeze more aid and favorable tax liabilities.



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Re: DeSantis orders Americans to leave their homes

Post by Bryce » Thu Sep 29, 2022 6:18 pm

Man you guys are real beauties. I've got the president of the United States trying to find a dead Congress woman in public and the vice president of the United States extolling our partnership and long-term commitments to North Korea and you're pissing all over a governor because he has an r before his name..nice.


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Re: DeSantis orders Americans to leave their homes

Post by km1125 » Thu Sep 29, 2022 6:24 pm

If it's going to be just handed out, no reason why the conservatives shouldn't get "their fair share" too, right?? :barf

Well, I know neither of you actually believe what you're spouting, but I agree with what you're saying. I do not think that the feds should really be having to step in and handle these kinds of "emergencies". They are not unknown threats and each state should have its OWN emergency fund that takes care of the MAJORITY of the recovery costs. Same goes for the earthquakes in California, blizzards in Minnesota and the Tornados in Michigan.

FEMA could help COORDINATE help across state lines if the states want to contribute to an "emergency stash" of particular stuff (like water or generators or plywood) that might be hard to roundup in a hurry after some catastrophic event. They absolutely SHOULD NOT be just the "feds coming in to save the day" after one of thee events. LOTS and LOTS of graft happens in that process and I've been in the middle of a bunch of it and saw the waste that also happens.



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Re: DeSantis orders Americans to leave their homes

Post by TC Talks » Thu Sep 29, 2022 7:00 pm

Bryce wrote:
Thu Sep 29, 2022 6:18 pm
Man you guys are real beauties. I've got the president of the United States trying to find a dead Congress woman in public and the vice president of the United States extolling our partnership and long-term commitments to North Korea and you're pissing all over a governor because he has an r before his name..nice.
uh-oh, we've upset the conservative victims.


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Re: DeSantis orders Americans to leave their homes

Post by lidoshuffle » Thu Sep 29, 2022 7:33 pm

TC Talks wrote:
Thu Sep 29, 2022 2:28 pm
This is a President responds to a natural disaster on US soil... Remember how Trump handled Puerto Rico?
President Biden said his designation of Florida as a major disaster area will allow residents of affected areas to request up to $37,900 toward home repairs and another $37,900 for loss of things like cars or other personal property.
Requesting the $$ is one thing....
actually receiving it is another....
if they do get any $$
it will be 2025 , and possibly three hurricanes later...



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Re: DeSantis orders Americans to leave their homes

Post by MWmetalhead » Thu Sep 29, 2022 7:42 pm

Well, I know neither of you actually believe what you're spouting, but I agree with what you're saying. I do not think that the feds should really be having to step in and handle these kinds of "emergencies". They are not unknown threats and each state should have its OWN emergency fund that takes care of the MAJORITY of the recovery costs. Same goes for the earthquakes in California, blizzards in Minnesota and the Tornados in Michigan.

FEMA could help COORDINATE help across state lines if the states want to contribute to an "emergency stash" of particular stuff (like water or generators or plywood) that might be hard to roundup in a hurry after some catastrophic event. They absolutely SHOULD NOT be just the "feds coming in to save the day" after one of thee events. LOTS and LOTS of graft happens in that process and I've been in the middle of a bunch of it and saw the waste that also happens.
I am inclined to disagree.

Requiring all 50 states to unilaterally prepare for major disasters at the end of the day would be significantly costlier to the taxpayer.

Pooling of disaster aid resources at the federal level is more economical (at least in theory). It, in essence, is a form of risk pooling.

While I don't doubt significant waste occurs, there is no reason to believe that waste would be eliminated if a different governmental entity were administering aid / resources.

Here in Michigan, we cannot even figure out how to administer unemployment payments properly, inspect dams for structural integrity or decipher "clean water" rules at the state level. Not sure I'd want my fate to largely rest in the hands of Lansing versus Washington when it comes to disaster response.

Getting back to Governor DeSantis, I do have to say I was fairly impressed with his live press conferences over the past couple days. He came across as very knowledgeable of the situation at hand and spoke in a very cogent manner. I don't believe I heard a single second of hesitation or pause as he spoke from the podium, often for 15 or 20 minutes at a time.



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Re: DeSantis orders Americans to leave their homes

Post by TC Talks » Thu Sep 29, 2022 8:07 pm

But is Florida paying for a higher rate of risk?

We live in a fairly low risk area yet we get to share in their risk.

For an "I've got mine" politician there's no problem sharing the pain.


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Re: DeSantis orders Americans to leave their homes

Post by MotorCityRadioFreak » Thu Sep 29, 2022 8:22 pm

Lester The Nightfly wrote:
Thu Sep 29, 2022 5:37 pm
km1125 wrote:
Thu Sep 29, 2022 2:58 pm
TC Talks wrote:
Thu Sep 29, 2022 2:28 pm
This is a President responds to a natural disaster on US soil... Remember how Trump handled Puerto Rico?
President Biden said his designation of Florida as a major disaster area will allow residents of affected areas to request up to $37,900 toward home repairs and another $37,900 for loss of things like cars or other personal property.
Well, he is good about handing out money to just about anyone (money that he doesn't earn and doesn't have)!!
And conservatives who rant and rave about personal fiscal responsibility like quit buying lattes at Starbucks or getting a new iPhone are all too happy to wait in line to stuff their pockets with gubmint cash.
President Biden said his designation of Florida as a major disaster area will allow residents of affected areas to request up to $37,900 toward home repairs and another $37,900 for loss of things like cars or other personal property.
Seems to me residents should be looking at the private sector (i.e. Go to the bank and get a loan like everyone else in the country does when they are faced with unexpected expenses) for repair assistance. If your insurance doesn't cover the damages, maybe you're underinsured. I'm 1000% in favor of federal assistance in rebuilding infrastructure. Everything else, nope. Aren't the conservatives repulsed about government handouts?
The dirty little secret is that poor rural Southern whites are the biggest welfare group. Always remember that Michigan is a donor state.


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Re: DeSantis orders Americans to leave their homes

Post by Circle Seven » Fri Sep 30, 2022 7:32 am

TC Talks wrote:
Thu Sep 29, 2022 8:07 pm
But is Florida paying for a higher rate of risk?

We live in a fairly low risk area yet we get to share in their risk.
I agree with your line of thinking.
Florida has hurricanes.
California has wildfires and earthquakes.
Michigan does not have yearly natural disasters.



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Re: DeSantis orders Americans to leave their homes

Post by TC Talks » Fri Sep 30, 2022 8:48 am

Boy is this hypocritical idiot having to eat his words. I hope none of you conservatives actually consider him presidential. He needs to look at the citizens of his State and say "we can't live on a credit card mentality so I am refusing to accept aid."

Matt, are you ready to denounce this chump?
As a freshman congressman in 2013, Ron DeSantis was unambiguous: A federal bailout for the New York region after Hurricane Sandy was an irresponsible boondoggle, a symbol of the “put it on the credit card mentality” he had come to Washington to oppose.

“I sympathize with the victims,” he said. But his answer was no.

Nearly a decade later, as his state confronts the devastation and costly destruction wrought by Hurricane Ian, Mr. DeSantis is appealing to the nation’s better angels — and betting on its short memory.

“As you say, Tucker, we live in a very politicized time,” Mr. DeSantis, now Florida’s governor, told Tucker Carlson on Wednesday night, outlining his request for full federal reimbursement up front for 60 days and urging the Biden administration to do the right thing. “But you know, when people are fighting for their lives, when their whole livelihood is at stake, when they’ve lost everything — if you can’t put politics aside for that, then you’re just not going to be able to.”

The tonal whiplash for Mr. DeSantis reflects a different job and a different moment — a Tea Party-era House Republican now steering a perennially storm-battered state dependent once more on federal assistance to rebuild. Yet even in the context of his term as governor, the hurricane has required Mr. DeSantis to test another gear.


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Re: DeSantis orders Americans to leave their homes

Post by km1125 » Fri Sep 30, 2022 9:13 am

MWmetalhead wrote:
Thu Sep 29, 2022 7:42 pm
Well, I know neither of you actually believe what you're spouting, but I agree with what you're saying. I do not think that the feds should really be having to step in and handle these kinds of "emergencies". They are not unknown threats and each state should have its OWN emergency fund that takes care of the MAJORITY of the recovery costs. Same goes for the earthquakes in California, blizzards in Minnesota and the Tornados in Michigan.

FEMA could help COORDINATE help across state lines if the states want to contribute to an "emergency stash" of particular stuff (like water or generators or plywood) that might be hard to roundup in a hurry after some catastrophic event. They absolutely SHOULD NOT be just the "feds coming in to save the day" after one of thee events. LOTS and LOTS of graft happens in that process and I've been in the middle of a bunch of it and saw the waste that also happens.
I am inclined to disagree.

Requiring all 50 states to unilaterally prepare for major disasters at the end of the day would be significantly costlier to the taxpayer.

Pooling of disaster aid resources at the federal level is more economical (at least in theory). It, in essence, is a form of risk pooling.

While I don't doubt significant waste occurs, there is no reason to believe that waste would be eliminated if a different governmental entity were administering aid / resources.
The rate that any individual state has to prepare for a disaster is vastly different between the states. Why should states like VT or IA have to prepare (or contribute) the same as someone like CA or FL?? Yes, in THEORY, pooling all the assets would and should be more efficient, but in reality that's just not the case. FEMA has to deploy assets all around the country rather than centralize them, so they need expenses all over anyways. And they need a MONSTEROUS organization to be able to handle just one disaster but are sized to be able to handle multiple. Using local resources would also allow repurposing and repositioning emergency resources throughout the state. Would it be better to have 10% more highway and public works workers 100% of the time that could also be used for emergency recovery, or send all that money to D.C. and hope that you might get help when needed??

I was part of the Harvey recovery in Houston, working with FEMA and the state (and Katrina before that) and saw all kinds of waste and inefficiencies. I'd much rather have those problems responsible for someone at the state level then get buried in all the DC politics. You have no idea the amount of waste that occurs. I'd be surprised if $300M out of every billion actually gets spent on the true cost of recovery operations. I've left those operations but they're STILL working on the Harvey stuff and that hurricane was FIVE years ago!!
MWmetalhead wrote:
Thu Sep 29, 2022 7:42 pm
Here in Michigan, we cannot even figure out how to administer unemployment payments properly, inspect dams for structural integrity or decipher "clean water" rules at the state level. Not sure I'd want my fate to largely rest in the hands of Lansing versus Washington when it comes to disaster response.
Those examples are a very small SHADOW of the problems in DC. The IRS just admitted they gave over $1BILLION to folks that didn't qualify for the child tax credits and denied another $2-3 Billion for some folks who SHOULD have qualified. You could go though every single department in DC and find problems many, many times worse than the examples you posted and all that money is WASTED in the gigantic machine that's been built there. We NEED to bring more tasks back to the states and remove funding from DC if we're ever going to get better.



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Re: DeSantis orders Americans to leave their homes

Post by Rate This » Fri Sep 30, 2022 5:59 pm

km1125 wrote:
Fri Sep 30, 2022 9:13 am
MWmetalhead wrote:
Thu Sep 29, 2022 7:42 pm
Well, I know neither of you actually believe what you're spouting, but I agree with what you're saying. I do not think that the feds should really be having to step in and handle these kinds of "emergencies". They are not unknown threats and each state should have its OWN emergency fund that takes care of the MAJORITY of the recovery costs. Same goes for the earthquakes in California, blizzards in Minnesota and the Tornados in Michigan.

FEMA could help COORDINATE help across state lines if the states want to contribute to an "emergency stash" of particular stuff (like water or generators or plywood) that might be hard to roundup in a hurry after some catastrophic event. They absolutely SHOULD NOT be just the "feds coming in to save the day" after one of thee events. LOTS and LOTS of graft happens in that process and I've been in the middle of a bunch of it and saw the waste that also happens.
I am inclined to disagree.

Requiring all 50 states to unilaterally prepare for major disasters at the end of the day would be significantly costlier to the taxpayer.

Pooling of disaster aid resources at the federal level is more economical (at least in theory). It, in essence, is a form of risk pooling.

While I don't doubt significant waste occurs, there is no reason to believe that waste would be eliminated if a different governmental entity were administering aid / resources.
The rate that any individual state has to prepare for a disaster is vastly different between the states. Why should states like VT or IA have to prepare (or contribute) the same as someone like CA or FL?? Yes, in THEORY, pooling all the assets would and should be more efficient, but in reality that's just not the case. FEMA has to deploy assets all around the country rather than centralize them, so they need expenses all over anyways. And they need a MONSTEROUS organization to be able to handle just one disaster but are sized to be able to handle multiple. Using local resources would also allow repurposing and repositioning emergency resources throughout the state. Would it be better to have 10% more highway and public works workers 100% of the time that could also be used for emergency recovery, or send all that money to D.C. and hope that you might get help when needed??

I was part of the Harvey recovery in Houston, working with FEMA and the state (and Katrina before that) and saw all kinds of waste and inefficiencies. I'd much rather have those problems responsible for someone at the state level then get buried in all the DC politics. You have no idea the amount of waste that occurs. I'd be surprised if $300M out of every billion actually gets spent on the true cost of recovery operations. I've left those operations but they're STILL working on the Harvey stuff and that hurricane was FIVE years ago!!
MWmetalhead wrote:
Thu Sep 29, 2022 7:42 pm
Here in Michigan, we cannot even figure out how to administer unemployment payments properly, inspect dams for structural integrity or decipher "clean water" rules at the state level. Not sure I'd want my fate to largely rest in the hands of Lansing versus Washington when it comes to disaster response.
Those examples are a very small SHADOW of the problems in DC. The IRS just admitted they gave over $1BILLION to folks that didn't qualify for the child tax credits and denied another $2-3 Billion for some folks who SHOULD have qualified. You could go though every single department in DC and find problems many, many times worse than the examples you posted and all that money is WASTED in the gigantic machine that's been built there. We NEED to bring more tasks back to the states and remove funding from DC if we're ever going to get better.
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