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Supreme Court overturns New York's "Special Need" requirement for obtaining a concealed weapons permit

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Supreme Court overturns New York's "Special Need" requirement for obtaining a concealed weapons permit

Post by bmw » Thu Jun 23, 2022 12:22 pm

Good. This was an easy one.
"We know of no other constitutional right that an individual may exercise only after demonstrating to government officers some special need. That is not how the First Amendment works when it comes to unpopular speech or the free exercise of religion. It is not how the Sixth Amendment works when it comes to a defendant’s right to confront the witnesses against him. And it is not how the Second Amendment works when it comes to public carry for self-defense," Thomas wrote.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/suprem ... y-licenses

I've made that exact point recently in here.



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Re: Supreme Court overturns New York's "Special Need" requirement for obtaining a concealed weapons permit

Post by Turkeytop » Thu Jun 23, 2022 12:33 pm

So, this is a cause for celebration?


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Re: Supreme Court overturns New York's "Special Need" requirement for obtaining a concealed weapons permit

Post by Matt » Thu Jun 23, 2022 12:42 pm

bmw wrote:
Thu Jun 23, 2022 12:22 pm
Good. This was an easy one.
"We know of no other constitutional right that an individual may exercise only after demonstrating to government officers some special need. That is not how the First Amendment works when it comes to unpopular speech or the free exercise of religion. It is not how the Sixth Amendment works when it comes to a defendant’s right to confront the witnesses against him. And it is not how the Second Amendment works when it comes to public carry for self-defense," Thomas wrote.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/suprem ... y-licenses

I've made that exact point recently in here.
The famous version of TCT is taking the ruling really well: https://mobile.twitter.com/KeithOlberma ... Pxj98qAAAA


What's more pathetic: harassing an old man who is paying to do a radio show or supporting a grifter like Trump?

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Re: Supreme Court overturns New York's "Special Need" requirement for obtaining a concealed weapons permit

Post by bmw » Thu Jun 23, 2022 12:49 pm

Turkeytop wrote:
Thu Jun 23, 2022 12:33 pm
So, this is a cause for celebration?
Any time a law that violates the US Constitution is overturned is cause for celebration.



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Re: Supreme Court overturns New York's "Special Need" requirement for obtaining a concealed weapons permit

Post by Matt » Thu Jun 23, 2022 12:50 pm

Turkeytop wrote:
Thu Jun 23, 2022 12:33 pm
So, this is a cause for celebration?
Yes.

Joe Biden and Kathy Hochul are morons:
President Joe Biden said in a statement he was “deeply disappointed” by the Supreme Court ruling, which he said “contradicts both common sense and the Constitution, and should deeply trouble us all.”
The constitution:
...the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
New York Gov. Kathy Hochul said the ruling comes at a particularly painful time, when New York is still mourning the deaths of 10 people in a mass shooting at a supermarket in Buffalo. “This decision isn’t just reckless. It’s reprehensible. It’s not what New Yorkers want,” she said.
It's about the constitution, not "what New Yorkers" want you unelected tool.

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/ ... 710886001/


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Re: Supreme Court overturns New York's "Special Need" requirement for obtaining a concealed weapons permit

Post by FakeAndyStuart » Thu Jun 23, 2022 1:04 pm

So now, it's okay if I walk up the street by Brent Kavenaughs house with a gun under my coat? I could even ring his doorbell to sell Girl Scout cookies packing heat? Cool...



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Re: Supreme Court overturns New York's "Special Need" requirement for obtaining a concealed weapons permit

Post by Deleted User 15783 » Thu Jun 23, 2022 1:43 pm

FakeAndyStuart wrote:
Thu Jun 23, 2022 1:04 pm
So now, it's okay if I walk up the street by Brent Kavenaughs house with a gun under my coat? I could even ring his doorbell to sell Girl Scout cookies packing heat? Cool...
Absolutely nothing wrong with that.

A bit of a difference between your scenerio, and someone standing on his front lawn waving a gun yelling "I kill you".

Do I have a problem with conceal carry?
Not at all.
Do I have a problem with open carry handgun in a belt holster?
Not at all, but I don't want to be close. Because it don't take much gray matter to realize that's who a nefarious individual is going to be looking to shoot first.

Now do I have a problem with what I call "costume carry"? You know. Big rifle, Beltpacks. You know what I mean. Putting on a show.
Yes, I do have a problem with that sort of totally unnecessary display. Just because you may have the right to dress up like Rambo don't mean you should. That sort of behavior is detrimental the right to carry. Those who play Mr. Dress Up, either in public or online, are the ones I worry about.



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Re: Supreme Court overturns New York's "Special Need" requirement for obtaining a concealed weapons permit

Post by bmw » Fri Jun 24, 2022 5:32 pm

Matt wrote:
Thu Jun 23, 2022 12:42 pm
The famous version of TCT is taking the ruling really well: https://mobile.twitter.com/KeithOlberma ... Pxj98qAAAA
He's on the verge of a nervous breakdown with today's abortion ruling. He's now calling for the Supreme Court to be DISSOLVED.



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Re: Supreme Court overturns New York's "Special Need" requirement for obtaining a concealed weapons permit

Post by Bryce » Fri Jun 24, 2022 6:46 pm

bmw wrote:
Fri Jun 24, 2022 5:32 pm
Matt wrote:
Thu Jun 23, 2022 12:42 pm
The famous version of TCT is taking the ruling really well: https://mobile.twitter.com/KeithOlberma ... Pxj98qAAAA

He's on the verge of a nervous breakdown with today's abortion ruling. He's now calling for the Supreme Court to be DISSOLVED.
So in his world you should be guaranteed the right to choose an abortion but not the right to choose to concealed carry


New York and Chicago were all in with respect to their sanctuary status — until they were hit with the challenge of actually providing sanctuary. In other words, typical liberal hypocrisy.

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Re: Supreme Court overturns New York's "Special Need" requirement for obtaining a concealed weapons permit

Post by Matt » Fri Jun 24, 2022 6:48 pm

Bryce wrote:
Fri Jun 24, 2022 6:46 pm
bmw wrote:
Fri Jun 24, 2022 5:32 pm
Matt wrote:
Thu Jun 23, 2022 12:42 pm
The famous version of TCT is taking the ruling really well: https://mobile.twitter.com/KeithOlberma ... Pxj98qAAAA

He's on the verge of a nervous breakdown with today's abortion ruling. He's now calling for the Supreme Court to be DISSOLVED.
So in his world you should be guaranteed the right to choose an abortion but not the right to choose to concealed carry
Can Keith's mom get a retroactive abortion?


What's more pathetic: harassing an old man who is paying to do a radio show or supporting a grifter like Trump?

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Re: Supreme Court overturns New York's "Special Need" requirement for obtaining a concealed weapons permit

Post by Rate This » Mon Jun 27, 2022 9:40 pm

bmw wrote:
Fri Jun 24, 2022 5:32 pm
Matt wrote:
Thu Jun 23, 2022 12:42 pm
The famous version of TCT is taking the ruling really well: https://mobile.twitter.com/KeithOlberma ... Pxj98qAAAA
He's on the verge of a nervous breakdown with today's abortion ruling. He's now calling for the Supreme Court to be DISSOLVED.
It should be…. Their ruling on constitutional issues is a precedent. It only works because people respect them. They have no enforcement powers and their decisions are not law. A state could defy them if it wished. The trouble is that lower courts defer to them.

It’s unconstitutional for them to do what they do. They did it in Marbury V. Madison, nobody objected and it stuck. There is nothing in the constitution saying that this unelected body decides what’s constitutional or not. You want to have some of these things happen? Pass a god damned law. Integrated schools, gay marriage, citizens United, Miranda rights, legal porn, the right to contraception, interracial marriage and the list goes on. All based on rulings from people with no legal basis for ruling on them. They simply made up this power one day. That’s what our society is… a giant house of cards.

As for this… you can’t have the second part about not infringing on the right to bear arms without the first part about a well regulated militia which was the military at the time. We even have a militia of the United States… that’s the official name of the National Guard. Any attempt to eliminate the first part and rule based only on the second is simply someone standing on their head to get the result they want. These justices are very good at that.



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Re: Supreme Court overturns New York's "Special Need" requirement for obtaining a concealed weapons permit

Post by MotorCityRadioFreak » Tue Jun 28, 2022 1:56 am

Welcome back. Nice to have a voice of reason around here.


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Re: Supreme Court overturns New York's "Special Need" requirement for obtaining a concealed weapons permit

Post by Bryce » Tue Jun 28, 2022 8:43 am

There is nothing in the constitution saying that this unelected body decides what’s constitutional or not.
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Article III, Section 1:

The judicial Power of the United States, shall be vested in one supreme Court, and in such inferior Courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish.
As Sam Adams once opined...
"[W]ithout liberty and equality [under the law], there cannot exist that tranquility of mind, which results from the assurance of this to every citizen, that his own personal safety and rights are secure … it is the end and design of all free and lawful Governments."
Guy makes a damn good lager too.

Question. At the time of the framing, who were the members of this "Well regulated militia?"


New York and Chicago were all in with respect to their sanctuary status — until they were hit with the challenge of actually providing sanctuary. In other words, typical liberal hypocrisy.

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Re: Supreme Court overturns New York's "Special Need" requirement for obtaining a concealed weapons permit

Post by Rate This » Tue Jun 28, 2022 9:58 am

Bryce wrote:
Tue Jun 28, 2022 8:43 am
There is nothing in the constitution saying that this unelected body decides what’s constitutional or not.
Article III, Section 1:

The judicial Power of the United States, shall be vested in one supreme Court, and in such inferior Courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish.
As Sam Adams once opined...
"[W]ithout liberty and equality [under the law], there cannot exist that tranquility of mind, which results from the assurance of this to every citizen, that his own personal safety and rights are secure … it is the end and design of all free and lawful Governments."
Guy makes a damn good lager too.

Question. At the time of the framing, who were the members of this "Well regulated militia?"
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Article 3 section 1 does not say anything about what it does. That certainly does NOT say they are to engage in judicial review. Again they FIRST did that in 1803 some 15 years or so after the constitution was ratified and nobody said anything. But it’s a power they ceased for themselves, it’s not granted anywhere.

I am not going to engage in a gotcha question fueled discussion. The members of the militia were the members of the continental army… that’s the well regulated part. Washington wasn’t commanding Jim Bob who ran out of his house in his underwear because the British were coming and just randomly started shooting. It was a tad more organized than that.



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Re: Supreme Court overturns New York's "Special Need" requirement for obtaining a concealed weapons permit

Post by km1125 » Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:26 am

Rate This wrote:
Tue Jun 28, 2022 9:58 am
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I am not going to engage in a gotcha question fueled discussion. The members of the militia were the members of the continental army… that’s the well regulated part. Washington wasn’t commanding Jim Bob who ran out of his house in his underwear because the British were coming and just randomly started shooting. It was a tad more organized than that.
I think you need to do a bit more reading on that topic. The members of the "militia" were called to join the Continental Army.



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