Those with booster shot more than 2x more likely to get Covid than those vaccinated but not boosted

[bmw]

This data straight from the CDC:

Cases per 100k of population (29 states included in this data):

Week of April 23
188 - Unvaccinated
56 - Vaccinated, not boosted
120 - Vaccinated, boosted

Week of April 16
155 - Unvaccinated
48 - Vaccinated, not boosted
108 - Vaccinated, boosted

Week of April 09
122 - Unvaccinated
36 - Vaccinated, not boosted
83 - Vaccinated, boosted

This trend didn't begin until mid-February. Prior to that, boosted people fared better than vaccinated without boosters. In fact, in October of last year, boosted people were 2.5x LESS likely than vaccinated but unboosted people to catch Covid.

Even the gap in the death rate is quickly closing. A half a year ago, boosted people were nearly 6x less likely to die from Covid than were unboosted. Now that number has fallen to less than 2x. And if you're twice as likely to catch Covid but 2x less likely to die from it, those numbers pretty much cancel each other out.

Lastly, boosters have reached a state of near uselessness in people under 50, where the infection rate among the boosted has nearly reached that of the unvaccinated, and in the 12-17 age group, boosted children are now getting sick more often than the unvaccinated.

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracke ... ine-status

[audiophile]

I never liked the idea of short-term testing on vaccines.

Looks like the booster confused the immune system into thinking these things are normal and to ignore it.

As I said, many of my boosted friends have Covid. The rest that took the natural route seem to be doing fine.

[bmw]

Here is a visual representation of the data.

What I have put together here is a ratio graph - basically, the case-rate ratio of vaxed vs vaxed+boosted. A value of 1 means that both groups are getting infected at the same rate. The trend here sure looks alarming to me.

[Ben Zonia]

From my observation, people who are vaccinated and boosted take more chances and attend super spreader events, defined loosely, thinking they can't get it. Just one variable of many. Weddings and indoor restaurant meals are two examples. Airplane travel, airports, and cruise liners are more avoidable but make one shudder.

[bmw]

And that is one of the explanations given by the CDC. I always assumed that was true of vaxed vs. unvaxed, but does that hold true within the boosted sub-group of vaccinated people? And even if it does, is this a new phenomenon? Because this trend change didn't begin until late December. Were boosted people still hibernating in isolation in the 2nd half of 2021? Because that is a SIGNIFICANT change in just 5 months with their risk increaing nearly 9-fold relative to vaxed+non-boosted people.

I would also note that this trend-change began right around when Omicron showed up in the US. The booster was apparently pretty good at preventing the Delta variant, but it appears to actually be impairing your immune system's ability to avoid Omicron.

[Matt]

From the first bullet point:

Several factors likely affect crude case rates by vaccination and booster dose status, making interpretation of recent trends difficult. Limitations include higher prevalence of previous infection among the unvaccinated and un-boosted groups; difficulty in accounting for time since vaccination and waning protection; and possible differences in testing practices ( such as at-home tests) and prevention behaviors by age and vaccination status. These limitations appear to have less impact on the death rates presented here. CDC is assessing whether to continue using these case rate data to provide preliminary information on vaccine impact.

Basically, the data is garbage with the advent of home tests being readily available and free. There are a good number of people with minor illnesses that will never test and if they do, it will be non-reportable home tests. We're past the pandemic phase, and we need our government to acknowledge it. Claiming that the Trump vaccination was ineffective is beyond silly at this point, but I do understand some people have an almost childish need to be right.

That's all I'll say in the subject. Feel free to return to your anti-vax circle jerk...

[bmw]

The data is only garbage or "difficult to interpret" when people don't like it. When they do like it, there is no critical analysis done whatsoever.

CDC is assessing whether to continue using these case rate data to provide preliminary information on vaccine impact.

Translation: CDC is assessing whether the data still fits our narrative and will decide whether to continue providing such data accordingly.

NOW....on to those so-called limitations:

higher prevalence of previous infection among the unvaccinated and un-boosted groups

Wholly irrelevant as we're only looking at vaccinated people.

difficulty in accounting for time since vaccination and waning protection

In theory, those with only vaccination but not boosters should have immunity that has waned longer than those with boosters. So this doesn't even make sense when comparing the 2 groups I'm comparing. Wouldn't those without boosters have immunity that has "waned" more than those with boosters? What am I missing here?

possible differences in testing practices ( such as at-home tests)

Just like with prevention behaviors, we're talking about 2 sub-groups of vaccinated people here; not vaxed vs unvaxed. Is there any evidence those with boosters are not only behaving significantly different than those with vaccination but no boosters, but also that they've changed their behavior only recently? I know that douchebag TCTalks has had like 8 boosters now and is probably out spreading Covid as we speak, but I need a sample size bigger than 1.

[MotorCityRadioFreak]

Those who are unvaccinated are either not reporting their infections or not getting tested at all. Hardly any employers require testing from anyone any more. More bad data from idiots.

[Turkeytop]

A nephew who is diabetic got fired from his job for refusing to get vaccinated. Now he's in hospital, gravely ill with covid.

[bmw]

I'm talking about ONLY VACCINATED PEOPLE here. Is all of your reading comprehension really that bad? I'm comparing 2 groups. BOTH GROUPS ARE VACCINATED. The difference is one has also received boosters, and as of right now, those with boosters are more than twice as likely as those without to catch Covid.

I'm not talking about unvaccinated people.

[Colonel Flagg]

Those who are unvaccinated are either not reporting their infections or not getting tested at all. Hardly any employers require testing from anyone any more. More bad data from idiots.

I wouldn't be so sure about that.

This unvaccinated idiot has zero infections to report, and is tested regularly at the doctor's office. Additionally, I have not worked for any "employer" other than myself, for many years. Many others, in my inner circle, share similar circumstances. While it doesn't apply to me specifically, the so called "great resignation" has to be considered.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

[Turkeytop]

I'm talking about ONLY VACCINATED PEOPLE here. Is all of your reading comprehension really that bad? I'm comparing 2 groups. BOTH GROUPS ARE VACCINATED. The difference is one has also received boosters, and as of right now, those with boosters are more than twice as likely as those without to catch Covid.

I'm not talking about unvaccinated people.

Yes, I understood that. I guess I deviated from your topic.

[bmw]

I'm talking about ONLY VACCINATED PEOPLE here. Is all of your reading comprehension really that bad? I'm comparing 2 groups. BOTH GROUPS ARE VACCINATED. The difference is one has also received boosters, and as of right now, those with boosters are more than twice as likely as those without to catch Covid.

I'm not talking about unvaccinated people.

Yes, I understood that. I guess I deviated from your topic.

I was responding more to MCRF than you, and I don't mean to undermine your nephew's situation. That said, if he's diabetic, he should probably have gotten vaccinated early on.

[craig11152]

People who were unvaccinated had a greater risk of testing positive for COVID-19 and a greater risk of dying from COVID-19 than people who were vaccinated with a primary series

Unvaccinated people in all age groups had higher case and death rates than people vaccinated with a primary series in the same age groups.

Case and death rates for people vaccinated with a primary series of any vaccine type (Moderna, Pfizer-BioNTech, Johnson & Johnson’s Janssen COVID-19 vaccine) were lower than for unvaccinated people.

People who were vaccinated with a primary series and an additional or booster dose had lower case rates overall compared with those without an additional or booster dose. Both of these groups had lower risk of testing positive for COVID-19 and a lower risk of dying from COVID-19 compared with people who were unvaccinated.

[bmw]

-sigh-

I'm not talking about vaxed vs unvaxed. I'm talking about vaxed vs vaxed+boosted

Is reading comprehension really that bad in this forum? If you want to talk about unvaccinated results, fine, make a thread about that. That's not what this topic of discussion is. This topic is about those who got boosted now catching Covid at more than double the rate of those who chose not to get boosted. Do any of you have any response to that? Or is it easier and more convenient to just keep creating straw men irrelevant to this specific issue?