Good guy (or rather woman) with gun stops bad guy with AR-15

[km1125]

But Bryce knows a background check wouldn't have prevented the deaths. Shit, the paperwork and waiting period alone would have saved those poor people.

Ummm, the last four purchases I've made, on firearms that background checks are required right now, took less than an hour from start to finish. What waiting period are you referring to?

One thing I think we can agree upon is to raise the minimum age to purchase any firearm to 21. If we as a society don't trust an 18-year-old to purchase a six pack of beer, it seems reasonable to not allow them to purchase firearms either. I would also support looking at red flag laws within certain limits to combat mental health issues. Both of those measures, at least on the surface, may have stopped the shooting in Texas.

We need to stop beating around the bush on this age thing. If those 18-21 year olds are not making good decisions on alcohol or cigarettes and can't be trusted with guns, then they shouldn't be voting either, or any of the other things that adults are entrusted with.

[Honeyman]

But Bryce knows a background check wouldn't have prevented the deaths. Shit, the paperwork and waiting period alone would have saved those poor people.

Ummm, the last four purchases I've made, on firearms that background checks are required right now, took less than an hour from start to finish. What waiting period are you referring to?

One thing I think we can agree upon is to raise the minimum age to purchase any firearm to 21. If we as a society don't trust an 18-year-old to purchase a six pack of beer, it seems reasonable to not allow them to purchase firearms either. I would also support looking at red flag laws within certain limits to combat mental health issues. Both of those measures, at least on the surface, may have stopped the shooting in Texas.

I thought I read there was a 3 day waiting period associated with the checks. My bad. I still do not see why you are so adamantly against them.

I'm all for your other 2 propositions, however.

[Bryce]

I still do not see why you are so adamantly against them.

All that would do is create a database of good guys with guns and have no effect whatsoever on the criminal element. Please admit that criminals and those that aren't allowed to own guns are going to continue to get their firearms without a background check. If that is the case, why exactly would we be creating this database of background checks?

[Deleted User 15783]

I still do not see why you are so adamantly against them.

All that would do is create a database of good guys with guns ....

That database already exist.
CPL holders.

Think back to when Michigan became a shall carry state in 2001. Did you really see any opposition to it?
No. Because issuing CPL permits is the most effective way to ascertain who has handguns.

If they ever do come get your guns, that's the list they'll be carrying.

[Bryce]

Think back to when Michigan became a shall carry state in 2001. Did you really see any opposition to it?
No. Because issuing CPL permits is the most effective way to ascertain who has handguns.

If they ever do come get your guns, that's the list they'll be carrying.

I think you meant to say "shall issue" not shall carry. In any case, that list only applies to people that applied for and received a CPL in the state of Michigan. That's about seven percent of the population to date.

[Bryce]

Well over 70% OF REPUBLICANS are in favor of universal background checks. Why not at least start there?

Maybe we should start enforcing the law on the background check system we already have. If you don't enforce a law, what impact can it possibly have?

Case in point.

In order to purchase a firearm from an FFL (dealer with a federal license) the person making the purchase must fill out Form 4473. On form 4473 there is a question; “Are you an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijuana or any depressant, stimulant, narcotic drug, or any other controlled substance?” When Hunter "crackhead" Biden purchased a firearm in 2018, at the height of his drug addiction, he answered "No."

Lying on a form 4473 is a crime. Well, actually two crimes. The first is punishable by up to five years in prison. The second, up to ten. I haven't seen an indictment or any indication one is coming. Have you?

You would think that as adamant about gun control ole Joe is, by evidenced by his 19 minute error filled speech, he'd get someone right on that.

[Honeyman]

Probably just slipped thru the crack.

[Bryce]

Probably just slipped thru the crack.

[audiophile]

LOL

Now that's a wiseCRACK!

[MotorCityRadioFreak]

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[Bryce]

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Well yeah, it does. When the officer opened up fire on the shooters they dropped their guns and ran away.

[MotorCityRadioFreak]

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Well yeah, it does. When the officer opened up fire on the shooters they dropped their guns and ran away.

Three people still died, gun nut.

[Bryce]

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Well yeah, it does. When the officer opened up fire on the shooters they dropped their guns and ran away.

Three people still died, gun nut.

If not for the good guy with the gun, it could have been 10. I was going to call you a name like you did me with decided against it.