#NaturalInfection morons handed ANOTHER L

[Matt]

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/covid-sc ... 55094.html

Months after recovering from SARS-CoV-2 infection, survivors have elevated levels of antibodies that can mistakenly attack their own organs and tissues, even if they had not been severely ill, according to new findings.

Among 177 healthcare workers who had recovered from confirmed coronavirus infections contracted before the availability of vaccines, all had persistent autoantibodies, including ones that can cause chronic inflammation and injury of the joints, skin and nervous system. "We would not normally expect to see such a diverse array of autoantibodies elevated in these individuals or stay elevated for as long six months after full clinical recovery," said Susan Cheng of the Cedars-Sinai Smidt Heart Institute in Los Angeles. Patterns of elevated autoantibodies varied between men and women, the researchers reported on Thursday in the Journal of Translational Medicine https://translational-medicine.biomedce ... 21-03184-8.

I can't wait for the spin on this one!

[audiophile]

This study does NOT say how many, out of the 177, were experiencing autoimmune problems, just the that the long-term elevations that COULD cause problems.

Apparently, you missed this:

They include research that warrants further study to corroborate the findings and that has yet to be certified by peer review.

or this:

"We don't yet know how much longer, beyond six months, the antibodies will stay elevated and/or lead to any important clinical symptoms,"

And this makes BMW point that antibody response in natural immunity persons is better:

"We would not normally expect to see such a diverse array of autoantibodies elevated in these individuals or stay elevated for as long six months after full clinical recovery,

This study is on search of problem that does not exist. Sounds like fishing for grant money.

[bmw]

Matt - I suggest you read the whole study before jumping to conclusions based on an extremely short Reuters analysis that includes a lot of "could's" and "maybe's."

Be advised - this is complicated stuff, much of which is way over my head. https://translational-medicine.biomedce ... 21-03184-8

The purpose of the study was actually to find out whether there was a difference between men and women and their body's creation of autoantibodies in response to Covid. Note that it mostly only looked at asymptomatic to mild cases (also note that it also mostly looked at non-white people, whom we know are more adversely impacted by Covid).

What is unclear from the study, as audiophile points out, is of those 177 participants, how many actually experienced symptoms/problems as a result of their elevated auto-antibodies. The mere existence of these particular antibodies (ie, ones that attack one's own body tissue) in and of itself doesn't necessarily mean anything. What is important is the level of these antibodies created and whether they are in fact attacking body tissue. The research team theorizes that auto-antibodies may be responsible for the symptoms experienced by people with long-haul Covid, but even they acknowledge that further research is needed in this regard - https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2 ... 130944.htm

[bmw]

And this makes BMW point that antibody response in natural immunity persons is better:

"We would not normally expect to see such a diverse array of autoantibodies elevated in these individuals or stay elevated for as long six months after full clinical recovery,

Antibodies that strictly attack Covid and auto-antibodies that attack your own body tissue are 2 totally separate things. The persistence of one type of antibody after 6 months may be an indicator that the "good" antibodies are elevated as well, but autoantibodies in and of themselves aren't something we want in our bodies.

[Motown322]

I remember a time the troll/bigot used to go off on everyone for "calling him/her/it the wrong gender" (misgendering) and it argued hard for its right to identify as any gender it wanted, and anyone who questioned it should be "sent steeeeeeeeraight to hell". It positioned itself as the stereotypical, overly progressive Tumblr snowflake.

Then the famous board database dump/crash occurred and all history going back X amount of time was lost, and the bigot totally flipped positions, and no one could prove it with quotes of the awful things it said because it didn't exist anymore. It now positions itself as the stereotypical, medieval, overly narrow minded facts-don't-care-about-your-feelings-but-still-offended-by-everything snowflake.

The only thing that didn't change is the anti-police rhetoric. Convenient. It doesn't deserve a humanizing gender or pronoun. It is an "it". It will lampoon what you believe in, regardless of what it is, when convenient for itself. It seeks to offend, but absolutely does not like to be lampooned.

It would be amusing if it weren't so pathetic.

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Yeah. It’s too bad only 99.4% of people survive this worse thing that has ever happened, but let’s complain about people making their own decisions, shall we?

You complain about that frequently.

[Matt]

Natural immunity is not a thing with covid, period.

[bmw]

Natural immunity is not a thing with covid, period.

You've made that claim now at least 10 different times in here, and you never elaborate. Would you please explain what you are claiming? Are you suggesting that people who have had a Covid infection are just as likely to get re-infected with Covid as is a person who has never had it is to get infected for the first time?

[Rate This]

Natural immunity is not a thing with covid, period.

You've made that claim now at least 10 different times in here, and you never elaborate. Would you please explain what you are claiming? Are you suggesting that people who have had a Covid infection are just as likely to get re-infected with Covid as is a person who has never had it is to get infected for the first time?

I know plenty of vaccinated people who have never had it (myself included). I have met unvaccinated people who have had it 3 or 4 times already. Take it for what it is.

[bmw]

There are numerous peer-reviewed studies (published on the CDC website) that suggest your odds of re-infection (at least of the same variant anyways, I'm aware this is a quickly changing dynamic with Omicron) even after 6 months is still significantly lower for someone with a past infection that someone who never had an infection.

Here is the link:

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nc ... unity.html

Look at Table 2. There were 7 studies. Here are the key findings from each:

Study 1 (UK) - After 7 months, Efficacy against re-infection was 84% overall, and 93% against symptoms
Study 2 (Denmark) - After 7 months, Efficacy against re-infection was 81% overall (though less in the elderly at 47%)
Study 3 (Austria) - Efficacy against re-infection was 91%, and mean time for re-infection for the other 9% was 7 months.
Study 4 (USA) - Efficacy against re-infection was 82%, and mean time for re-infection for the other 18% was just over 4.5 months.
Study 5 (Italy) - Efficacy against re-infection was 93%, and mean time for re-infection for the ot her 7% was 8+ months. Of the 15,000 people followed for 9 months in this study, only ONE PERSON got re-infected and required hospitalization.
Study 6 (Qatar) - After 7 months, Efficacy against re-infection was 95% overall. Of the 192,000 people, NOT ONE DEATH.
Study 7 (UK) - After 9 months, Efficacy against re-infection was 89% overall.

So to summarize - if you've had Covid, you're anywhere from 5 to 15x less likely to get Covid for at least the 7 months following your infection compared to someone who has never been infected. Moreover, hospitalization rates among these people upon re-infection appear to be extremely low.

[MotorCityRadioFreak]

I have a friend who has had COVID 4 times and been hospitalized each time as well as 12 additional times for his long haul symptoms.