Rittenhouse NOT GUILTY on all counts

[Matt]

By Lester's logic there must be a bunch of Black supremacists in Chicago then. Black people are killing other black people every weekend.

You're assuming Les even knows that all the "victims" in the Rittenhouse case are white.

I think the racist angle is based on the fact that the kid was at George Floyd protests. It's a lazy suggestion, but that is where it's coming from.

That doesn't even make sense though. So the 3 white people he shot are supposed to be White Supremacists also?

It doesn't have to as long as feelings are hurt on that side.

[bmw]

I'll throw this out there too. Let's say the shootings were identical EXCEPT instead of Kenosha protests, this was a Trump rally in a southern state gotten out of hand. And let's say that Rittenhouse was a liberal who had showed up at the rally armed. And let's say that the 3 people he shot were Trump supporters who had came after him. Do you think people like Lester the Nightfly would be singing the same tune? HELL NO. We'd be hearing about what hero Rittenhouse was - that somebody finally stood up to those evil White Supremacist Trump supporters, and that his life was absolutely in danger - because all Trump supporters inherently pose a threat to human life. That's what we'd be hearing.

[Honeyman]

I'll throw this out there too. Let's say the shootings were identical EXCEPT instead of Kenosha protests, this was a Trump rally in a southern state gotten out of hand. And let's say that Rittenhouse was a liberal who had showed up at the rally armed. And let's say that the 3 people he shot were Trump supporters who had........blah, blah, blah...

You really wanna play the "Let's say" game here?!?

Okay, "let's say" Kyle Rittenhouse was Omar Washington and it was a black kid running around Kenosha with a fucking AR-15. You wanna tell me he would be found innocent of self-defense?!? Of course not. He'd have been shot dead that night.

[TC Shuts Up]

Let's look at some of the onerous lies the media told and prosecutorial misconduct in the last year.

Implying that Kyle travelled great distances and crossed state lines to go to Kenosha. In fact, Kyle's mother's house is BARELY (less than 2 miles) into Illinois. In fact, it was only between 15 and 20 miles to Kenosha depending on the route.

Implying that Kyle had no business in Kenosha. In fact, his father, who has joint custody, lives in Kenosha, and his friend's business in Kenosha was under attack in the riots.

Implying implicitly that the rioters that were shot and killed when they attacked Kyle were Black. They were White, and all three had EXTENSIVE criminal records. One molested five underage boys.

The prosecutor saying that "everyone gets a beating" implying that he should have let rioters beat him up. People die from beatings. He had a gun pointed at him by one of the persons that was killed right before Kyle responded with his gun.

Withholding the higher resolution video that showed the incident much more clearly, then surfacing after the defense rested.

Withholding the name of one of the rioters involved that kicked Kyle and ran away, when the prosecution had his name, to avoid his testimony and cross examination.

Implying that Kyle had an illegal firearm and wasn't allowed to carry in Wisconsin. It WAS legal, and Wisconsin Laws allowed him to carry at 17. That charge was thrown out before the end of the trial, because it was obvious that all other charges were likely to be thrown out. It would be used to find Kyle guilty of something, so he would go to prison, where no matter what the sentence, he would likely be KILLED by inmates.

Joe Biden calling Kyle a 'White Supremacist", and doubling down when asked to recant. If Kyle had been a White Supremacist, some evidence would have surfaced, as socialist media posts of scores of celebrities have in the last couple of years.

[FakeAndyStuart]

I truly can't believe this is actually a topic of discussion.

This young man is not a hero, not a martyr and not really a villain.

By all accounts, the jury had no choice but to acquit him, based on the laws of Wisconsin.

But the consequences are stunning. It's now legal, at least in Wisconsin, to walk into a agitated crowd with a loaded automatic weapon to defend property you don' t own and people you don't know... just imagine if someone had an AR-15 in the crowd on that day in Minneapolis instead of a camera on their phone?

Politicians on both sides are using the verdict to pander for votes. Anyone who excused violent rioting as "protected by free speech" or encouraged gun wielding as "protected by the Second Amendment" is also guilty here.

You will all ignore this post, I expect. Because you are all so solidified in your thinking you can't even begin to see any other view. And that is sad. But we don't succeed as a country or a society until we realize that this nonsense will continue to drive us further and further apart until one side (or the other) decides it's time we get to "use our guns."

[TC Shuts Up]

If you can't defend yourself efficiently, the only other choice is to get far, far away from areas where there are likely to be riots and crime. That's what happened after the riots in the 1960s and beyond, especially the 1967 Detroit Riots. Detroit has never recovered. It has lost close to two thirds of its population since its heyday. You can call it "White Flight" all you want, but it has long been "Everyone Flight" that has the financial ability to do so. Even when there are not riots, there are "knock out games"(beating people unconscious and many times dead or dying later at the hospital, often after being declared brain dead), intimidation of shoppers in malls and shopping centers by large numbers of "youths", robberies, retail theft gangs, rapes, and murders.

[zzand]

The media keeps referring to it as a racial justice protest so as a result he had to be a racist because he was there and not protesting, looting and burning. I followed the trial and it seems to my non legal trained mind that the prosecution did a really bad job presenting their case and at least one of their witnesses actually bolstered the defense case. I am guessing the prosecution was hoping for one of two things, that the judge would declare a mistrial or there would be a hung jury.

[Colonel Flagg]

Lessons learned from the Kyle Rittenhouse case:

*If you riot, loot, and burn our cities, expect a response other than "Stop it!"

*Never bring a skateboard to a gunfight.

[TC Shuts Up]

Some facts about the three men who were shot, from Breitbart:

In fact, Rittenhouse’s three assailants — Joseph Rosenbaum, a 36-year-old convicted paedophile who chased Rittenhouse through the streets during a Black Lives Matter riot on August 25th, 2020; Anthony Huber, a 26-year-old with convictions for strangulation and suffocation and domestic abuse who bludgeoned Rittenhouse in the head with a skateboard and appeared to try and grab his rifle; and Gaige Grosskreutz, a 28-year-old with a range of convictions for offences including striking his grandmother, felony burglary, and prowling who himself testified that Rittenhouse did not shoot him until he pointed an unlawfully-carried handgun at him — were all white.

If they had come out, the Prosecution would have said, "They're not on trial here, Rittenhouse is", and dismissed it.

It seems that the people who were recruited for the BLM ANTIFA MOB were selected because they WERE violent felons. It really makes you wonder how long these riots had been planned. It's kind of like the way they recruited people for certain tasks in "The Sting".

[MWmetalhead]

In view the conviction standard in a criminal trial (i.e. beyond a reasonable doubt), I agree with several here that the correct verdict was reached.

I think it's worth noting that the police response in Kenosha that night was a spectacular failure.

[km1125]

Some facts about the three men who were shot, from Breitbart:

In fact, Rittenhouse’s three assailants — Joseph Rosenbaum, a 36-year-old convicted paedophile who chased Rittenhouse through the streets during a Black Lives Matter riot on August 25th, 2020; Anthony Huber, a 26-year-old with convictions for strangulation and suffocation and domestic abuse who bludgeoned Rittenhouse in the head with a skateboard and appeared to try and grab his rifle; and Gaige Grosskreutz, a 28-year-old with a range of convictions for offences including striking his grandmother, felony burglary, and prowling who himself testified that Rittenhouse did not shoot him until he pointed an unlawfully-carried handgun at him — were all white.

If they had come out, the Prosecution would have said, "They're not on trial here, Rittenhouse is", and dismissed it.

It seems that the people who were recruited for the BLM ANTIFA MOB were selected because they WERE violent felons. It really makes you wonder how long these riots had been planned. It's kind of like the way they recruited people for certain tasks in "The Sting".

ALL of that, plus you forgot about "jumpkick dude", who got away unscathed (unfortunately). Rittenhouse did fire at him but missed both shots. Let's look at a little of his history:

It is just one of several open cases against Freeland whose record in Kenosha County spans 25 charges across more than 20 years [he's only 39, so that essentially all his adult life] in Kenosha County and includes acts of criminal violence, destruction of property, possession of controlled substances, traffic offenses, family court violations and escape from custody.

Most recent records date back three years and cover a multitude of charges. The most recent saw him incarcerated in May and released October 24.

The charges include battery, disorderly conduct, possession of marijuana and several traffic violations including driving a vehicle while on a suspended sentence.

His name is Maurice Freeland and definitely a career criminal and convicted felon. He's ALSO been charged with NUMEROUS more crimes in 2021. He was out on bond last year when he did his "jump kick" caught on camera.

[bmw]

But the consequences are stunning. It's now legal, at least in Wisconsin, to walk into a agitated crowd with a loaded automatic weapon to defend property you don' t own and people you don't know.

Not just now, but has been since 1991. If you want to blame anybody, blame the legislators who wrote the ambiguous law with exceptions written in for certain types of weapons. https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/exp ... e-81285031

And I think your PURPOSE for carrying a gun is irrelevant, whether it be to "defend property you don't own" or to "defend people you don't know." Completely irrelevant. Either you have the right to possess a gun and carry it in public or you don't. That right doesn't change with geography relative to where you live and with the circumstances on the ground where you're carrying.

[bmw]

I think the racist angle is based on the fact that the kid was at George Floyd protests. It's a lazy suggestion, but that is where it's coming from.

Then you have Kamala Harris' statement on the verdict:

"Today's verdict speaks for itself. I've spent a majority of my career working to make our criminal justice system more equitable. It's clear, there's still a lot more work to do."

Ummm...WHAT? What is she even talking about? "More equitable?" Equitable for who? 4 white men?

[lidoshuffle]

Lessons learned from the Kyle Rittenhouse case:

*If you riot, loot, and burn our cities, expect a response other than "Stop it!"

*Never bring a skateboard to a gunfight.

A grown man , carrying a skateboard at a "social justice demonstration"...(Riot), probably had parents ATM card on him, if he had a gf she supported him, and he slept in a twin bed at his parent's place...irresponsible speculation on my part of course....

[Matt]

I think the racist angle is based on the fact that the kid was at George Floyd protests. It's a lazy suggestion, but that is where it's coming from.

Then you have Kamala Harris' statement on the verdict:

"Today's verdict speaks for itself. I've spent a majority of my career working to make our criminal justice system more equitable. It's clear, there's still a lot more work to do."

Ummm...WHAT? What is she even talking about? "More equitable?" Equitable for who? 4 white men?

She's awful. This statement reminds me of one asshole that said if he had a son, he'd look like Trayvon Martin, as if that was relevant. Back to Harris - there is NOTHING she liked more than locking up minority men for drug crimes. Where is the equity there, Kam?