It was 2:30 in the morning and the cops were responding to someone firing a gun at a car or possibly cars plural. The 21 year old he was with is on video shooting at a car. He has been arrested.
When the cop shows up he knows somebody is armed and pulling a trigger, he doesn't know the ages of anybody. When the suspect turns around the cop has a split second to decide what to do.
This is another in a never ending cycle where citizens make bad and illegal choices before the cops show up then put the cops in difficult situations by running, resisting arrest etc.
People act like cops just cruise the streets looking for somebody to kill.
Its almost impossible to find a cop related shooting where the victim didn't make a series of bad and often illegal choices leading up to the confrontation.
If you are a person of color and don't want to get killed by the cops the rules are the same as they are for white people. Don't do illegal things and when you do face a cop do what they say.
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Adam Toledo shooting
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Re: Adam Toledo shooting
I posted this on a Facebook discussion this morning.
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So "Drop your gun and raise your hands" doesn't mean spit anymore. That should work out well for everyone in the future.
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Forensics did find gunpowder residue on his hand.craig11152 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 12:10 pm[
possibly discharging that firearm since that part is unclear.
New York and Chicago were all in with respect to their sanctuary status — until they were hit with the challenge of actually providing sanctuary. In other words, typical liberal hypocrisy.
Re: Adam Toledo shooting
60 words, one number, one time. Zero substance and one really worn out act.Bidengirl wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 12:37 pm"Curfew" is unconstitutional, but even if it was, according to your reasoning, let's just kill any 13 year old who is not in their house around 2:30am local time, who at one time was holding a firearm, who may or may not have fired that firearm (but didn't strike anyone), and whose companion may have shot at a car.craig11152 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 12:10 pmOut after curfew,Bidengirl wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 11:23 amWhat criminal activity?craig11152 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 10:26 amAdam Toledo would be alive today if he wasn't engaged in criminal activity at 2:30 in the morning.
possession of a firearm
possibly discharging that firearm since that part is unclear.
But his companion was shooting at a car since its on video.
Checkmate. You lose.
Re: Adam Toledo shooting
A reasonably well trained individual, who puts in some work, can draw and put shots on target in 1.2 seconds. An exceptionally trained individual can draw and put shots on target in .08 seconds. Not a lot of decision time there.Lester The Nightfly wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 12:36 pmSo "Drop your gun and raise your hands" doesn't mean spit anymore. That should work out well for everyone in the future.
Maybe the answer is, if you are up to no good, or even if you aren't, drop your gun the moment you see a police officer arrive, don't run and do exactly as he or she say's?
New York and Chicago were all in with respect to their sanctuary status — until they were hit with the challenge of actually providing sanctuary. In other words, typical liberal hypocrisy.
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How glib of you to think that's how a 13 year old kid's brain works...Bryce wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 12:54 pmA reasonably well trained individual, who puts in some work, can draw and put shots on target in 1.2 seconds. An exceptionally trained individual can draw and put shots on target in .08 seconds. Not a lot of decision time there.Lester The Nightfly wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 12:36 pmSo "Drop your gun and raise your hands" doesn't mean spit anymore. That should work out well for everyone in the future.
Maybe the answer is, if you are up to no good, or even if you aren't, drop your gun the moment you see a police officer arrive, don't run and do exactly as he or she say's?
Re: Adam Toledo shooting
Which is probably why the vast majority of parents don't allow their 13 year old out, unsupervised, at 2:30 in the morning. Maybe also a reason a curfew is in place.Lester The Nightfly wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 2:31 pm
How glib of you to think that's how a 13 year old kid's brain works...
Wonder if there was a father in the household?
New York and Chicago were all in with respect to their sanctuary status — until they were hit with the challenge of actually providing sanctuary. In other words, typical liberal hypocrisy.
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Thanks Bryce, glad you've got it all worked out why a kid should die. Maybe you can write a book or do an after-school special...Bryce wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 2:37 pmWhich is probably why the vast majority of parents don't allow their 13 year old out, unsupervised, at 2:30 in the morning. Maybe also a reason a curfew is in place.Lester The Nightfly wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 2:31 pm
How glib of you to think that's how a 13 year old kid's brain works...
Wonder if there was a father in the household?
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You have to go with solutions you can easily control.
Like, why was this 13 year old kid out with a gun at 2:30 in the morning? The parent needed to have more control over her kid. Then they wouldn't be in harm's way from the police or drug gangs.
Like, why was this 13 year old kid out with a gun at 2:30 in the morning? The parent needed to have more control over her kid. Then they wouldn't be in harm's way from the police or drug gangs.
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Re: Adam Toledo shooting
No where did I say, or even imply, that this kid SHOULD have died. He shouldn't have. I'm merely pointing out the fact that culpability doesn't lie solely on the police officer unlike the folks who choose to gas light the public to stir up anti police sentiment.Lester The Nightfly wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 2:58 pmThanks Bryce, glad you've got it all worked out why a kid should die. Maybe you can write a book or do an after-school special...Bryce wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 2:37 pmWhich is probably why the vast majority of parents don't allow their 13 year old out, unsupervised, at 2:30 in the morning. Maybe also a reason a curfew is in place.Lester The Nightfly wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 2:31 pm
How glib of you to think that's how a 13 year old kid's brain works...
Wonder if there was a father in the household?
New York and Chicago were all in with respect to their sanctuary status — until they were hit with the challenge of actually providing sanctuary. In other words, typical liberal hypocrisy.
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excellent point.Bryce wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 3:42 pm
No where did I say, or even imply, that this kid SHOULD have died. He shouldn't have. I'm merely pointing out the fact that culpability doesn't lie solely on the police officer unlike the folks who choose to gas light the public to stir up anti police sentiment.
I will add the drumbeat of the perp being 13 is a hindsight argument. The cop didn't know he was 13 and to be fair when you are chasing an armed suspect down a dark ally at 2:30 in the morning the natural assumption is its an adult.
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Re: Adam Toledo shooting
For those using the subjects age to make the officers actions seem more horrific, see Nathaniel Abraham.
New York and Chicago were all in with respect to their sanctuary status — until they were hit with the challenge of actually providing sanctuary. In other words, typical liberal hypocrisy.
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Save the backpeddling. Every post has been a workshop on why the kid was shot and why the guy that pulled the trigger is blameless. Nothing is that cut and dried. I just hope after y'all are done sewing your lips to the cop's ass you'll get something nice to show for it.Bryce wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 3:42 pmNo where did I say, or even imply, that this kid SHOULD have died. He shouldn't have. I'm merely pointing out the fact that culpability doesn't lie solely on the police officer unlike the folks who choose to gas light the public to stir up anti police sentiment.Lester The Nightfly wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 2:58 pmThanks Bryce, glad you've got it all worked out why a kid should die. Maybe you can write a book or do an after-school special...Bryce wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 2:37 pmWhich is probably why the vast majority of parents don't allow their 13 year old out, unsupervised, at 2:30 in the morning. Maybe also a reason a curfew is in place.Lester The Nightfly wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 2:31 pm
How glib of you to think that's how a 13 year old kid's brain works...
Wonder if there was a father in the household?
Re: Adam Toledo shooting
That's because the guy who pulled the trigger IS blameless. I don't care if the victim was 13 or 18 or 50. You run from the cops down an alley at 2:30 in the morning with a gun in-hand, and my sympathy for you and whatever harm comes your way is literally ZERO. And I sure as hell am not going to hang this officer over a decision that was made in the window of 8 tenths of a second. You said earlier in this thread "So 'Drop your gun and raise your hands' doesn't mean spit anymore." If the kid had done so IMMEDIATELY (ie, hadn't taken off running), or if the cop would have shot him after clearly having realized that the kid decided to wave the white flag (I don't know what the exact appropriate amount of time would be for such a realization to reasonably have happened, but 0.8 seconds is really pushing it) then you would have a point.
But you (much like LL101) seem fixated on the fact that at the exact moment the kid was shot, he was unarmed and had his hands up - as if this is the only relevant fact. And in the same breath you have the nerve to ridicule OTHER people for allegedly making this too "cut and dried."
But you (much like LL101) seem fixated on the fact that at the exact moment the kid was shot, he was unarmed and had his hands up - as if this is the only relevant fact. And in the same breath you have the nerve to ridicule OTHER people for allegedly making this too "cut and dried."
Re: Adam Toledo shooting
NO back peddling here Mr. I stand by every word. I'm not going to stand by and watch another good officer's life ruined by the anti-cop anarchists and media pin heads that are prime examples of the Dunning-Krueger effect.Lester The Nightfly wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 4:33 pm[
Save the backpeddling. Every post has been a workshop on why the kid was shot and why the guy that pulled the trigger is blameless. Nothing is that cut and dried. I just hope after y'all are done sewing your lips to the cop's ass you'll get something nice to show for it.
I notice none of the points I make, that you refer to as ass kissing, have been directly debunked or challenged.
https://archive.is/1Bpfi#selection-1243.0-1243.197CNN teams have viewed the footage, which appears to show less than one second pass between the time Adam Toledo draws a handgun and an officer fires a single, fatal shot that hits him in the chest.
New York and Chicago were all in with respect to their sanctuary status — until they were hit with the challenge of actually providing sanctuary. In other words, typical liberal hypocrisy.