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Re: Why we can't advance as a society

Post by screen glare » Wed Apr 14, 2021 1:35 am

Cops aren’t known for their advanced college degrees. Many are stupid. This one is a good example of the stupidity factor.



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Re: Why we can't advance as a society

Post by screen glare » Wed Apr 14, 2021 1:41 am

Rioting is ineffective. Only solidifies division. Dr. King practiced peaceful protests. Which were highly effective. Sit ins. Marches without any fighting back. Massive die ins also effective. Again - never fighting back. And absolutely NO looting or destroying property. Then you’ll have the public on your side instead of against you.



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Re: Why we can't advance as a society

Post by craig11152 » Wed Apr 14, 2021 7:13 am

There is no excuse for confusing your taser with your gun.
When they got the guy out of the car they should have moved him to the rear of the car to do a pat down and handcuff. That business doesn't get done by the car door for the very reason we see in the video.
Having said that the guy was driving with expired tags and an outstanding warrant and somehow thought getting arrested was optional. If the guy complied with police he would be alive. And that is true for 99% of the few people killed by police.


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Re: Why we can't advance as a society

Post by Bryce » Wed Apr 14, 2021 9:28 am

craig11152 wrote:
Wed Apr 14, 2021 7:13 am
the guy was driving with expired tags and an outstanding warrant and somehow thought getting arrested was optional. If the guy complied with police he would be alive. And that is true for 99% of the few people killed by police.
AND the warrant was for an incident involving an illegal firearm.

Notice the absence of that information from most all of the news reports?

Excellent point regarding moving the subject to the rear of the automobile. Hugging the B pillar doesn't work so well once the person is out of the car.


New York and Chicago were all in with respect to their sanctuary status — until they were hit with the challenge of actually providing sanctuary. In other words, typical liberal hypocrisy.

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Re: Why we can't advance as a society

Post by Bryce » Wed Apr 14, 2021 9:46 am

Bidengirl wrote:
Wed Apr 14, 2021 9:27 am
No college degree required, and it shows.
Ehhh... Bad information.

The State of Michigan and MCOLES standards, requires officers to complete the minimum of an associates degree upon completion of the basic training academy in order to be licensed.


New York and Chicago were all in with respect to their sanctuary status — until they were hit with the challenge of actually providing sanctuary. In other words, typical liberal hypocrisy.

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Re: Why we can't advance as a society

Post by Rate This » Wed Apr 14, 2021 12:38 pm

She has been charged with second degree manslaughter. Does she walk or get a room at the crowbar motel after a trial?

I’m betting she walks.



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Re: Why we can't advance as a society

Post by Lester The Nightfly » Wed Apr 14, 2021 2:06 pm

Rate This wrote:
Wed Apr 14, 2021 12:38 pm
She has been charged with second degree manslaughter. Does she walk or get a room at the crowbar motel after a trial?

I’m betting she walks.
If statistics mean anything, you'd be right.



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Re: Why we can't advance as a society

Post by Bryce » Wed Apr 14, 2021 4:34 pm

One has to wonder, if the "peaceful" rioters in Ferguson Missouri would have chanted "if the police tell you to do something, just do it and don't resist," instead of the false flag narrative of "hands up, don't shoot," how many lives could have been saved.

When exactly did obeying the lawful order of a police officer become optional?

One must also wonder, how much the presence of "peaceful" riots, and the promise of more to come, influenced the prosecutors decision to charge officer potter?
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Re: Why we can't advance as a society

Post by Rate This » Wed Apr 14, 2021 4:59 pm

Bryce wrote:
Wed Apr 14, 2021 4:34 pm
One has to wonder, if the "peaceful" rioters in Ferguson Missouri would have chanted "if the police tell you to do something, just do it and don't resist," instead of the false flag narrative of "hands up, don't shoot," how many lives could have been saved.

When exactly did obeying the lawful order of a police officer become optional?
When half of the police officers began jumping out of their cars with guns drawn before even saying hi.



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Re: Why we can't advance as a society

Post by Bryce » Wed Apr 14, 2021 4:59 pm

Rate This wrote:
Wed Apr 14, 2021 4:59 pm
Bryce wrote:
Wed Apr 14, 2021 4:34 pm
One has to wonder, if the "peaceful" rioters in Ferguson Missouri would have chanted "if the police tell you to do something, just do it and don't resist," instead of the false flag narrative of "hands up, don't shoot," how many lives could have been saved.

When exactly did obeying the lawful order of a police officer become optional?
When half of the police officers began jumping out of their cars with guns drawn before even saying hi.
Hyperbole much?


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Re: Why we can't advance as a society

Post by Rate This » Wed Apr 14, 2021 5:01 pm

Bryce wrote:
Wed Apr 14, 2021 4:59 pm
Rate This wrote:
Wed Apr 14, 2021 4:59 pm
Bryce wrote:
Wed Apr 14, 2021 4:34 pm
One has to wonder, if the "peaceful" rioters in Ferguson Missouri would have chanted "if the police tell you to do something, just do it and don't resist," instead of the false flag narrative of "hands up, don't shoot," how many lives could have been saved.

When exactly did obeying the lawful order of a police officer become optional?
When half of the police officers began jumping out of their cars with guns drawn before even saying hi.
Hyperbole much?
It’s the perception in that community. I have no idea how you deescalate that... but there’s a distrust on both sides of the equation. Nobody trusts anybody from the other side of it. Until that is restored there will be no end to it. Some of it is all in how you talk to people. Doing what happened to the army guy in Virginia is not the way to handle it. We see that kind of thing repeated endlessly. They have to deescalate and many of these officers it seems haven’t a clue how to talk to people to get them to do things.

They are EXCELLENT at making a bad situation worse however.



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Re: Why we can't advance as a society

Post by craig11152 » Wed Apr 14, 2021 5:29 pm

There are about 60 million "official" police/citizen interactions a year. Interactions that are somehow recorded. With about 700,000 cops interacting with the public , if each one had an unofficial interaction with 2 people a shift and you do the math, 5 shifts a week 52 weeks a year that is 360,000,000 chances for a cop to kill a citizen. And somehow people riot over a guy who did 3 things wrong to get what happened.
When you look at the ratio of cops killed by citizens vs citizens killed by cops you find cops are 14 to 20 times more likely to die at the hands of citizens than the other way around.


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Re: Why we can't advance as a society

Post by Rate This » Wed Apr 14, 2021 6:16 pm

craig11152 wrote:
Wed Apr 14, 2021 5:29 pm
There are about 60 million "official" police/citizen interactions a year. Interactions that are somehow recorded. With about 700,000 cops interacting with the public , if each one had an unofficial interaction with 2 people a shift and you do the math, 5 shifts a week 52 weeks a year that is 360,000,000 chances for a cop to kill a citizen. And somehow people riot over a guy who did 3 things wrong to get what happened.
When you look at the ratio of cops killed by citizens vs citizens killed by cops you find cops are 14 to 20 times more likely to die at the hands of citizens than the other way around.
All valid points as well. This is a situation that’s going to be hard to diffuse.



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Re: Why we can't advance as a society

Post by bmw » Wed Apr 14, 2021 6:18 pm

From ABC News:

"A white former suburban Minneapolis police officer was charged Wednesday with second-degree manslaughter for killing 20-year-old Black motorist Daunte Wright in a shooting that ignited days of unrest and clashes between protesters and police."

https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/min ... t-77069700

It is "news" reporting like this that is throwing fuel on the flames of racial tensions in this country. Absent evidence of racial motivation, it is wholly irrelevant that the officer was white, that the motorist was black, or even that the officer was from the suburbs.

Oh, and for accuracy purposes, if they're going to refer to the officer as a "former" officer, then shouldn't Wright be referred to as a "former" motorist?



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Re: Why we can't advance as a society

Post by Bryce » Wed Apr 14, 2021 7:25 pm

IF you watch this till the end, it may give you some understanding as to why officers ratchet up a notch with uncooperative individuals....



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