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Trump Killed Americans, According to Doctor

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CNN documentary shown Sunday night March 28th: COVID WAR - The Pandemic Doctors Speak Out. Dr. Deborah Birx speaks her mind freely - without concern anymore about what former president Trump thinks of her.

“Rats” on Trump big time! Speaks about distressing phone call from him to her after she gave an interview that did not coincide with his public spin on the pandemic, including his largely incorrect management of the White House response - to keep Americans from dying of Covid 19.

She essentially says in the documentary that Trump is responsible for scads of avoidable American deaths! That his approach and execution of any mitigation of the health crisis was often NOT based on the science that she, Dr. Fauci, and the other majority of well-regarded and highly experienced scientists were recommending.

Get ready for the accountability of Trump’s inaction/action. He has blood on his hands. Money before human lives.

Bad “plan” Donald.

Doesn’t matter that you insisted you had no responsibility. The people, their legislative representatives, the courts, and history will decide whether you DID have responsibility. Whether you DID have a duty to save as many American lives as possible.
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If Biden had done the exact same thing, you wouldn't care. You are a reprobate.
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Please sight the area of the report you are talking about. What she said was after the first 100 thousand deaths more could have been avoided if more people social distanced and wore masks. Didn't hear Trump in that at all.
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zzand wrote: Mon Mar 29, 2021 5:49 pm Please sight the area of the report you are talking about. What she said was after the first 100 thousand deaths more could have been avoided if more people social distanced and wore masks. Didn't hear Trump in that at all.
Said person didn’t exactly encourage such behavior, he made fun of it. He’s influential among millions of people that no doubt based their behavior on what he said. That should clear it up.
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Nope, clears up nothing. She said people. Your TDS is showing
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zzand wrote: Mon Mar 29, 2021 7:34 pm Nope, clears up nothing. She said people. Your TDS is showing
I’m looking a little deeper at it. Some people would be influenced by the behavior at the top. Especially among his followers. That’s not TDS, it’s a fact.
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screen glare wrote: Mon Mar 29, 2021 1:59 pm CNN documentary shown Sunday night March 28th: COVID WAR - The Pandemic Doctors Speak Out. Dr. Deborah Birx speaks her mind freely - without concern anymore about what former president Trump thinks of her.

“Rats” on Trump big time! Speaks about distressing phone call from him to her after she gave an interview that did not coincide with his public spin on the pandemic, including his largely incorrect management of the White House response - to keep Americans from dying of Covid 19.

She essentially says in the documentary that Trump is responsible for scads of avoidable American deaths! That his approach and execution of any mitigation of the health crisis was often NOT based on the science that she, Dr. Fauci, and the other majority of well-regarded and highly experienced scientists were recommending.

Get ready for the accountability of Trump’s inaction/action. He has blood on his hands. Money before human lives.

Bad “plan” Donald.

Doesn’t matter that you insisted you had no responsibility. The people, their legislative representatives, the courts, and history will decide whether you DID have responsibility. Whether you DID have a duty to save as many American lives as possible.
I don't have a lot of respect for Brix and would disagree she's speaking her mind freely without concern of repercussion. To this day she's still playing coy about the extent the Trump administration knowingly fucked up its response to the pandemic. That she's using the euphemism 'distressing phone call' makes it clear she's still trying to have it both ways: A good bureaucratic soldier and a unimpeachable practitioner of public heath. The fact that she didn't right then and there call out Trump when he went on his drink the bleach jag tells me everything I need to know about where her priorities lie, that being keep the nice prestigious government gig.

That said, you are right about Trump having blood on his hands. That much is clear with or without Brix's weak sauce recounting of events.
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Let's all use our heads here. No one, NO ONE, is going to make people do what they don't want to do. No President could make people who don't want to wear a mask wear one, or social distance or get the vaccine. NO ONE! It is called personal responsibility. Quit looking for a boogey man to blame shit on and look at the people around you. They and they alone are responsible for their actions. It was widely reported Trump got the vaccine, it was widely reported that he told people the vaccine is good and to get it. People will do what they are going to do, no one has that much sway over people. Grow up and place the blame where it needs to be, on the American people. Period.
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Bam! zz keeping it real this morning!

I've yet to see any high profile government official, no matter their party, purposely downplay or try to slow down the vaccine. Sure their have been logistical f-ups, but they haven't been malicious in nature.

The constant attempts at political spin doctoring is worn out.
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zzand wrote: Tue Mar 30, 2021 6:17 am Let's all use our heads here. No one, NO ONE, is going to make people do what they don't want to do. No President could make people who don't want to wear a mask wear one, or social distance or get the vaccine. NO ONE! It is called personal responsibility. Quit looking for a boogey man to blame shit on and look at the people around you. They and they alone are responsible for their actions. It was widely reported Trump got the vaccine, it was widely reported that he told people the vaccine is good and to get it. People will do what they are going to do, no one has that much sway over people. Grow up and place the blame where it needs to be, on the American people. Period.
Nobody said he forced anybody to do anything. He has INFLUENCE OVER THE DECISIONS OF HIS FOLLOWERS. His not doing something or only half-ass promoting them getting the vaccine or belittling mask wearing and distancing is a major factor in THEIR decisions. To assume otherwise is rather foolish. Yes ultimately it’s their decision. But he could be doing a whole hell of a lot more to influence their behavior in a better direction. That’s why other politicians from both parties are out there saying it. They are hoping leadership will influence people to make a good choice. You failed psychology apparently.
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There are a few politicians that did force people into situations that caused people to die.

Govs Cazzo and Whittless come to mind.
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Former President Donald Trump did everything in his power, and not in his power, to discourage social distancing and the wearing of masks.

Even going so far as to clownishly ascend the steps to the “backyard” balcony of the White House - and melodramatically rip off his mask - after Marine One dumped his ass off on the back lawn from his Walter Reed Hospital Covid stay and maskless “Presidential SUV Street Parade”.

He then turned and walked maskless into The White House. Which as we all know quickly expanded as a hot house of Covid infections.

And do not forget his mass maskless crowded super spreader event featuring Amy the super speed RBG replacement (Merrick Garland who?) for the US Supreme Court. Hugging. Kissing. Laughing in each other’s faces. Back slappin’ away - until a shitload got sick that week.

Trump was actually very careful not to wear a mask in public when sometimes other officials near him were.

Do not ever rewrite history. That pesky video and still photography - day by day - week by week- month by month just NEVER allows the many maskless public signals to Americans to fade from memory.
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zzand wrote: Tue Mar 30, 2021 6:17 am Let's all use our heads here. No one, NO ONE, is going to make people do what they don't want to do. No President could make people who don't want to wear a mask wear one, or social distance or get the vaccine. NO ONE! It is called personal responsibility. Quit looking for a boogey man to blame shit on and look at the people around you. They and they alone are responsible for their actions. It was widely reported Trump got the vaccine, it was widely reported that he told people the vaccine is good and to get it. People will do what they are going to do, no one has that much sway over people. Grow up and place the blame where it needs to be, on the American people. Period.
There's one exception. Elderly people in nursing homes. They're the one group most vulnerable to protecting themselves. And the same voices in here crying bloody murder about Trump were nowhere to be seen when Cuomo and Whitmer were forcing Covid-positive patients back into nursing homes, where people actually DID die as direct result of these decision.

Lester and SG can go pound sand.

EDIT - I didn't read Bryce's comment before posting mine. I see we're on the same page.
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bmw wrote: Tue Mar 30, 2021 4:00 pm
zzand wrote: Tue Mar 30, 2021 6:17 am Let's all use our heads here. No one, NO ONE, is going to make people do what they don't want to do. No President could make people who don't want to wear a mask wear one, or social distance or get the vaccine. NO ONE! It is called personal responsibility. Quit looking for a boogey man to blame shit on and look at the people around you. They and they alone are responsible for their actions. It was widely reported Trump got the vaccine, it was widely reported that he told people the vaccine is good and to get it. People will do what they are going to do, no one has that much sway over people. Grow up and place the blame where it needs to be, on the American people. Period.
There's one exception. Elderly people in nursing homes. They're the one group most vulnerable to protecting themselves. And the same voices in here crying bloody murder about Trump were nowhere to be seen when Cuomo and Whitmer were forcing Covid-positive patients back into nursing homes, where people actually DID die as direct result of these decision.

Lester and SG can go pound sand.

EDIT - I didn't read Bryce's comment before posting mine. I see we're on the same page.
The nursing home thing really ought to have a bipartisan investigation to see if there was truly wrongdoing or just stupidity involved. Sweeping it under the rug was a bad move.
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