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[audiophile]

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I'm crying watching this...

[Big Al]

The sanctity of life is truly lost on the left.

[Turkeytop]

The sanctity of life is truly lost on the left.

There's nobody here more leftist than me or less religious than me.

I oppose abortion and I oppose capital punishment

[TC Talks]

I have no plans on getting pregnant personally, but it certainly is a big decision for anybody who does get pregnant. They certainly need to weigh their ability to be a responsible parent.

What dumbfounds me is where is Right to Life on the unbelievable foster care problem in our state and in this country. No one ever wants to respond to the neglect that happens to unwanted children and the miserable lives many of them end up having.

[Matt]

I have no plans on getting pregnant personally, but it certainly is a big decision for anybody who does get pregnant. They certainly need to weigh their ability to be a responsible parent.

What dumbfounds me is where is Right to Life on the unbelievable foster care problem in our state and in this country. No one ever wants to respond to the neglect that happens to unwanted children and the miserable lives many of them end up having.

It seems to me that supporting same-sex adoptions is a no brainer for pro life folks.

[TC Talks]

Audiophile, do you support adoption by same sex families?

How about Michigan Right to life?

It seems like you just want your way without any consideration for the human suffering that takes place as a result of your opinions.

[audiophile]

Bull.

I tried to adopt and there wasn't any to adopt because they deal with this on a county level. Also, I went to an adoption informational meeting in metro Detroit and they recommended adopting a girl from China. They said domestic adoptions are extremely difficult, and based on my experience I would have to agree. This is why I believe abortion is not needed, if you have to go overseas to adopt, then their plenty of loving families in the USA with open arms.

I wrote an extensive opinion on this matter one of these boards, and I said the SOS should handle adoptions. It shouldn't be more difficult than transferring a car, IMHO. The Democrats just love regulation, so they made it difficult.

[TC Talks]

Ah, but Right to Life hasn't been at the table to help better policy. I also noticed that you only cite babies. Who's adopting unwanted 10 year olds?

In my opinion right to life is just creating misery.

[Matt]

Bull.

I tried to adopt and there wasn't any to adopt because they deal with this on a county level. Also, I went to an adoption informational meeting in metro Detroit and they recommended adopting a girl from China. They said domestic adoptions are extremely difficult, and based on my experience I would have to agree. This is why I believe abortion is not needed, if you have to go overseas to adopt, then their plenty of loving families in the USA with open arms.

I wrote an extensive opinion on this matter one of these boards, and I said the SOS should handle adoptions. It shouldn't be more difficult than transferring a car, IMHO. The Democrats just love regulation, so they made it difficult.

2 things as someone who is also pro life:

1) There are three scenarios where I can see abortion would be a legitimate option: a) pregnancy as a result of a rape, b) when the life of the mother is in danger, and c) if something is severely developmentally wrong.

2) Would you really trust an office under the control of Jocelyn Benson?

[Deleted User 9015]

Bull.

I tried to adopt and there wasn't any to adopt because they deal with this on a county level. Also, I went to an adoption informational meeting in metro Detroit and they recommended adopting a girl from China. They said domestic adoptions are extremely difficult, and based on my experience I would have to agree. This is why I believe abortion is not needed, if you have to go overseas to adopt, then their plenty of loving families in the USA with open arms.

I wrote an extensive opinion on this matter one of these boards, and I said the SOS should handle adoptions. It shouldn't be more difficult than transferring a car, IMHO. The Democrats just love regulation, so they made it difficult.

Eh, as someone who was actively seeking options, talking with lawyers, associations, etc. I think there is a better way of describing the state of adoption, let me know what you feel I miss.

There are a ton of different contexts for adoption that need to be considered in this discussion.

First, there is newborn v. foster children. Newborns are a HOT, HOT, HOT commodity. EVERY parent looking to adopt wants to get a newborn. It isn't just because they have "new car smell", but frankly it is a lot easier. And really, that is fair, and I will get to why in a second. Newborns are in high demand, so much so, that there are organizations, lawyers, newsletters, websites, etc. that are dedicated to matching the parent of a newborn child with a loving family... for a price.

To get a domestic kid, you will end up paying tens of thousands of dollars to a "non-profit organization" (lol), lawyer, etc. to find a mother looking to give her kid up. This covers their marketing, administrative expenses, all that, because it takes legwork to find moms looking to give their kids up. Oddly enough, when Moms are talked out of abortion, they are given false promises of assistance or have their emotions yanked around their neck and guilted into birthing a child that they rationally decided they didn't want, but were manipulated into keeping. There is research showing that when women decided to carry children they decided to abort to term, that the children end up living below the poverty level and with lack of access to food. As for these mothers adopting their unwanted children out, over 90% keep the kids. So having moms carry their children to term really doesn't mean that the kids will end up going to willing and waiting homes.

There are also foreign routes that you can go. These used to be faster, but countries are realizing that handing kids over to unvetted American randos is a bad idea and now its taking longer and suprisingly, its gotten more expensive.

To sum it all up, if you want a brand new baby your options are pretty much be lucky and have a friend who will help you out or pay through the nose. Sure, you could get lucky and find success through networking. You could have a newborn placed with you by a foster agency. But that is gonna take a fuckton of time (and I mean possibly a decade, likely longer, if at all).

At the other end are the kids that have been placed in foster care. This is the majority of the kids available for adoption. However, they frequently aren't adopted. There are a few reasons. One is people want a kid that's new. That means less troubles and you get to leave a larger mark on their personality forming and all that. Personally, I think the more valid and more frequent reason is that these kids often come with serious problems that most people are not prepared to deal with. And "just spending time" with the kid or buying them whatever they want won't fix it. Hell, for a lot of them, counseling isn't enough. Foster parents frequently have problems where they are calling their caseworkers at 3AM, or a kid is calling the cops saying their family is abusing them or molesting them. Sadly, you can't save everyone, and most people aren't equipped to take on kids like that.

So circling back around to this issue of adopting unwanted kids out, mom's typically don't put the kids up, and when they end up in the foster care system, they face a lifetime of problems.

tl;dr: Adoption doesn't solve the abortion problem, and perhaps, sometimes a woman is smart enough to make decisions for herself.

[TC Talks]

Have you ever noticed that the right-to-life types will skirt around this issue but never directly answer that they have no clue nor concern about kids in foster care. They certainly have no problem complaining about the criminal justice aspects of foster care kids. Audiophile just complained about government but will take no responsibility for the problem his Christian organization is creating.

So circling back around to this issue of adopting unwanted kids out, mom's typically don't put the kids up, and when they end up in the foster care system, they face a lifetime of problems.

tl;dr: Adoption doesn't solve the abortion problem, and perhaps, sometimes a woman is smart enough to make decisions for herself.

[Deleted User 9015]

Have you ever noticed that the right-to-life types will skirt around this issue but never directly answer that they have no clue nor concern about kids in foster care. They certainly have no problem complaining about the criminal justice aspects of foster care kids. Audiophile just complained about government but will take no responsibility for the problem his Christian organization is creating.

So circling back around to this issue of adopting unwanted kids out, mom's typically don't put the kids up, and when they end up in the foster care system, they face a lifetime of problems.

tl;dr: Adoption doesn't solve the abortion problem, and perhaps, sometimes a woman is smart enough to make decisions for herself.

He mentioned Bethany. I went to multiple Bethany meetings. I didn't think they were bad. Frankly, I found them blunt and that they didn't sugar-coat bullshit. Its heartbreaking. And the people who go to their meetings aren't just prospective parents, but its people already fostering. They vouch for the hell stories. And it's not fair to families to inject these fundamentally damaged young people into their families to destroy them. Its a complex situation. But the solution is to just make more of them? I will be more willing to listen to anti-abortion rhetoric when we have a handle on foster kids.

[MotorCityRadioFreak]

Pro life or pro birth? Because the Republicans I know are simply pro birth.

[audiophile]

Correct RT, they didn't sugar coat it. As someone that had unexplained infertility for well over a decade I certainly learned a lot about the "system" - and it's too complicated.

I never have advocated for creating more, in fact I'd say keep your pants on until you are married, and even then wait for a bit for the dust to settle before getting prego.

Once they are created I'm for easy adoption. Easy adoption puts them in families where they are wanted and loved instead of potentially reluctant parents. These prevents the later foster-care situations that the current system tends to create.

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Correct RT, they didn't sugar coat it. As someone that had unexplained infertility for well over a decade I certainly learned a lot about the "system" - and it's too complicated.

I never have advocated for creating more, in fact I'd say keep your pants on until you are married, and even then wait for a bit for the dust to settle before getting prego.

Once they are created I'm for easy adoption. Easy adoption puts them in families where they are wanted and loved instead of potentially reluctant parents. These prevents the later foster-care situations that the current system tends to create.

There I go posting without realizing it...