When are we going to accept that we can't stop the Coronavirus from running its course?

[TC Talks]

I understand that many of you don't trust science, because it doesn't come from a 2000 year old work of fiction. If you actually want a scientific explanation and a discussion of how it fits in with other illnesses (for examples it is 10 times the mortality rate of the flu) click the link below. It's 45 minutes that explains what we know as of today by someone who has been studying this with the scientific community. Discussion about Herd Immunity and some of the other truthy things that have been posted here. BMW is correct about the likely path, but not necessarily on the timetable or impact.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j25m_It9wOQ

This will have an 8 trillion dollar economic impact, and an 8 trillion dollar disability cost from this virus. The Flu averages 200 billion dollars in economic impact and disability. I hope you don't have any debt and some cash in savings...

[kager]

It may help to live on an island nation... where the points of entry are limited and highly monitored.

I understand that many of you don't trust science, because it doesn't come from a 2000 year old work of fiction.

Pfffft....

You seem to enjoy making fun of - or displaying heavy disdain for - people whose beliefs are not the same as yours here. There's a classic definition for that, but I've never seen the word 'deacon' used in it.

Just out of curiosity, what is that book your church's faith is based upon? What level of adherence to its teachings are members generally pledged to attain?

[audiophile]

I suspect they think USA stands for Universalist Socialist Agenda.

[Turkeytop]

It may help to live on an island nation... where the points of entry are limited and highly monitored.

I understand that many of you don't trust science, because it doesn't come from a 2000 year old work of fiction.

Pfffft....

You seem to enjoy making fun of - or displaying heavy disdain for - people whose beliefs are not the same as yours here. There's a classic definition for that, but I've never seen the word 'deacon' used in it.

Just out of curiosity, what is that book your church's faith is based upon? What level of adherence to its teachings are members generally pledged to attain?

I'm a non-believer. But I'll acknowledge that your Bible can provide moral guidance even to someone like me. But it isn't science.

[TC Talks]

I suspect they think USA stands for Universalist Socialist Agenda.

It's a land where the Constitution supports division of church and state very deliberately, it certainly doesn't mean we are a nation under one God.

There are quite a number of people on this forum who are twisting religion to support their beliefs which can't be found anywhere in the scriptures.

To that extent yes I have no problem pointing out the shortcomings of these false prophets if you will.

[TC Talks]

It may help to live on an island nation... where the points of entry are limited and highly monitored.

I understand that many of you don't trust science, because it doesn't come from a 2000 year old work of fiction.

Pfffft....

You seem to enjoy making fun of - or displaying heavy disdain for - people whose beliefs are not the same as yours here. There's a classic definition for that, but I've never seen the word 'deacon' used in it.

Just out of curiosity, what is that book your church's faith is based upon? What level of adherence to its teachings are members generally pledged to attain?

I'm a non-believer. But I'll acknowledge that your Bible can provide moral guidance even to someone like me. But it isn't science.

I believe that is my point. It's also a choice in how one could live. my concern these days is too many people are excited about the concept of Revelations and are trying to force the rest of us into their misguided understanding of the scriptures.

Again do what you want to do but what I posted is the science of what is happening not a belief system being manipulated to help one political party.

In one particularly striking example, a rich man agonizes in hell simply for having lived a life of “luxury.” In another passage, “rich people” are instructed to “weep and wail because of the misery that is coming” to them.

According to scripture, “those who want to get rich” fall into a trap of “ruin and destruction,” making for quite the biblical rebuke to capitalist philosophy. The Bible further warns that “the love of money is the root of all kinds of evil,” while Christians are instructed not to “store up treasures on earth.”

In short, followers of Christ must choose between “God and money.”

Jesus’ parable explaining that “it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter” heaven is one of a select few teachings to span all three synoptic Gospels (Matthew, Mark and Luke), cementing the Bible’s anti-wealth message.

Contrary to GOP priorities, the well-to-do and the accumulation of wealth are not portrayed positively anywhere in the scriptures.

But there’s more. Many right-wing Christians would be surprised to learn that the earliest Christian communities practiced a form of proto-socialism. Early church leaders redistributed wealth from affluent Christian communities to poorer ones (“Your plenty will supply their need”), with the ultimate goal of achieving “equality.”

To the first Christians, the concept of personal property was anathema: “No one claimed that any of their possessions was their own” and “they shared everything they had.”

Property was sold and the proceeds “distributed to anyone who had need.”

[audiophile]

Oh Sweden?

[TC Talks]

You just don't get it. It's not like a cold, it has lasting impacts.

CDC is actively working to learn more about the whole range of short- and long-term health effects associated with COVID-19. As the pandemic unfolds, we are learning that many organs besides the lungs are affected by COVID-19 and there are many ways the infection can affect someone’s health.

One of the health effects that CDC is closely watching and working to understand relates to COVID-19 and the heart. Heart conditions associated with COVID-19 include inflammation and damage to the heart muscle itself, known as myocarditis, or inflammation of the covering of the heart, known as pericarditis. These conditions can occur by themselves or in combination. Heart damage may be an important part of severe disease and death from COVID-19, especially in older people with underlying illness. Heart damage like this might also explain some frequently reported long-term symptoms like shortness of breath, chest pain, and heart palpitations.

The risk of heart damage may not be limited to older and middle-aged adults. For example, young adults with COVID-19, including athletes, can also suffer from myocarditis. Severe heart damage has occurred in young, healthy people, but is rare. There may be more cases of mild effects of COVID-19 on the heart that can be diagnosed with special imaging tests, including in younger people with mild or minimal symptoms; however, the long-term significance of these mild effects on the heart are unknown. CDC will continue to assess and provide updates as new data emerge.

[zzand]

It was reported a while back that according to the CDC only 6 percent of the deaths in this country were actual COVID-19 deaths, the rest were attributed to COVID-19 simply because when the person died they had tested positive. The report said the survival rate was a tick over 99 percent except for high risk types, I am in that category. A co-worker, my news director, currently has a 16 year old daughter recovering. When she went in the doctor told her the cases they are seeing now are very watered down. Basically he said, allergy symptoms ramped up somewhat. He told my ND to give her allergy meds, Musinex, zinc and rest. She tested positive last Thursday and her latest test results came back negative. Biggest change he is seeing is fever is now low grade fever, 99 too 100.9. He went on the record for a story and several other doctors in the region backed his claims. His advice, wear your mask, social distancing, wash your hands and protect high risk people while trying to get back to living your life.

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It was reported a while back that according to the CDC only 6 percent of the deaths in this country were actual COVID-19 deaths, the rest were attributed to COVID-19 simply because when the person died they had tested positive. The report said the survival rate was a tick over 99 percent except for high risk types, I am in that category. A co-worker, my news director, currently has a 16 year old daughter recovering. When she went in the doctor told her the cases they are seeing now are very watered down. Basically he said, allergy symptoms ramped up somewhat. He told my ND to give her allergy meds, Musinex, zinc and rest. She tested positive last Thursday and her latest test results came back negative. Biggest change he is seeing is fever is now low grade fever, 99 too 100.9. He went on the record for a story and several other doctors in the region backed his claims. His advice, wear your mask, social distancing, wash your hands and protect high risk people while trying to get back to living your life.

Let the record show that you could have linked to the story he went on the record for...

[kager]

"Science" - like characteristics of the virus itself - changes, often due to not having a complete data set on which to base a conclusion, and (certainly in this case) depending on the mouthpiece you're getting it from.

Pluto

You're only kidding yourself if you parade around regurgitating 'science' opinions as the only answer.

[zzand]

Actually I could not as we are not written media, but audio media and we don't record newscasts they are done live with no tape running. So no, I can't link to the story. Without his permission I won't post his sound bites and my ND script would be worthless with them. So try again.

[audiophile]

It was reported a while back that according to the CDC only 6 percent of the deaths in this country were actual COVID-19 deaths, the rest were attributed to COVID-19 simply because when the person died they had tested positive. The report said the survival rate was a tick over 99 percent except for high risk types, I am in that category. A co-worker, my news director, currently has a 16 year old daughter recovering. When she went in the doctor told her the cases they are seeing now are very watered down. Basically he said, allergy symptoms ramped up somewhat. He told my ND to give her allergy meds, Musinex, zinc and rest. She tested positive last Thursday and her latest test results came back negative. Biggest change he is seeing is fever is now low grade fever, 99 too 100.9. He went on the record for a story and several other doctors in the region backed his claims. His advice, wear your mask, social distancing, wash your hands and protect high risk people while trying to get back to living your life.

Sounds like good advice, Take precautions but also "live" (as bad mental health can cause all sorts of other negative health effects).

[UP906]

I was thinking about that the other day. How many cases of PTSD are going to arise from all of this? How many cases of full on depression resulting in disability claims will arise?

Even after this is over, it's going to be an absolute shitshow.

[audiophile]

The president, the first lady and his son had Coronavirus, and recovered fairly well, yet the scarecrows on here want act most of us are going to die or have some lifelong condition. Most likely that is not the case. I take precautions, probably more all of you, but I also see reality.

I know a family on CA that their son had it for a week and then tested positive. No one else got it in their house. I would say they all got exposed, but no one else got it or showed symptoms.

I know an attorney down south that is quite overweight, he had got from his sister-in-law while running sound in funeral while both were wearing a mask (she came in to south booth for moment). She tested positive a few days later, so did he a few days after that. He had little to no symptoms, couple days later he then tested negative.

Most of us have had some nasty colds at some time in our life that if an older person caught it they might have died. That may have been a Coronavirus, and their is some of those t-cells are still in us. Who is say after this is over, the death rate goes way lower than normal?

The difference is media hype and politics. Democrats have certainly used it for political reasons more than any other party.