Which countries are you referring to here?
...in vain. That's the difference. One side realizes it is in vain while the other does not.One side is much more invested in trying to protect its citizens than the other.
Which countries are you referring to here?
...in vain. That's the difference. One side realizes it is in vain while the other does not.One side is much more invested in trying to protect its citizens than the other.
Much of Western Europe for starters. But also Japan, South Korea and apparently Rawanda. Apparently Rawanda did what we could not and beat the virus back well enough to be allowed travel to the EU... we remained banned. Our handling of this has been dead last among developed western nations. That’s not really disputable.
Thank you.zzand wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 10:49 amI am not sure when the mask debate became a political hot potato but it has become a big one. If you look at Japan, China, India, the list goes on and on, masks have been a part of everyday life for various reasons for a long time. It is just an accepted thing to do on the way out the door and no one thinks twice about it. Read an interesting thought from a Japanese man who wondered why Americans are so reluctant to wear one. I think it's because we don't like our routines messed with and being told to do this, that or the other. The best remarks on this thread have come from Turkey Top, he makes perfect sense and nails it in every one of his posts. In my area, the 50 and older crowd, regardless of political party, wears them with no issue, as do those of all ages with underlying conditions. Interesting to note, teens wear them as well but make fashion statements with them which has been fun to see. As for me, I have no issue wearing one as I am wearing it to protect others, they wear theirs to protect me. As for the medical effects, it seems no one really knows since daily there are articles and discussions pro and con. In my immediate family there are Republicans, Democrats and a Libertarian. We all wear masks, no political influence involved. My company has a policy that when we are doing public events we must be masked and socially distant. Those who don't want to wear a mask have been pulled from rotation and miss out on the extra pay from those events. I was at a business reopening broadcast a few weeks back and a listener came up to me and said "Real men don't wear masks", my response? "Smart ones do".
Actually, it is disputable. Per-capita death rate thus far based on officially reported death tolls:Rate This wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 10:48 amMuch of Western Europe for starters. But also Japan, South Korea and apparently Rawanda. Apparently Rawanda did what we could not and beat the virus back well enough to be allowed travel to the EU... we remained banned. Our handling of this has been dead last among developed western nations. That’s not really disputable.
"I never met a conspiracy theory I didn't like that involved taking away my freedoms" - bmwbmw wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 12:10 pmI'm going to be very clear about my position on masks. It isn't a political one. I choose not to wear one because
(a) they're very uncomfortable, and
(b) that when the dust settles and the history books are written, the masks won't have saved many lives at all.
It has nothing to do with politics for me. I DO wear one to several places where I do business, and that is out of respect for the business owner's wishes and nothing else. When I discuss the politics of it, I'm talking about politicians and the media - I'm sure most people who wear them do so because they believe that the masks help. But I think that politicians and the media know better. It is all about social control.
That is the most ignorant thing I've read in a while. This sounds like Pence science.
That is a death rate reduction of 51%. Where's the coverage of this? Media has a war against this particular drug and instead pushes daily something that reduces spread by 2%. There's either ulterior motives or sheer ignorance involved here.In a large-scale retrospective analysis of 2,541 patients hospitalized between March 10 and May 2, 2020 across the system’s six hospitals, the study found 13% of those treated with hydroxychloroquine alone died compared to 26.4% not treated with hydroxychloroquine.
Even the government withdrew its support for the drug awhile Ago...bmw wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 1:06 pmI'm sorry, but the media's absolute obsession with masks is bizarre. Of all the different aspects to the virus and its spread and the one idea that may slow down spread by 2% per day is the one that gets all the attention.
Like this study, published just 3 days ago by the Henry Ford Health System:
https://www.henryford.com/news/2020/07/ ... ment-study
That is a death rate reduction of 51%. Where's the coverage of this? Media has a war against this particular drug and instead pushes daily something that reduces spread by 2%. There's either ulterior motives or sheer ignorance involved here.In a large-scale retrospective analysis of 2,541 patients hospitalized between March 10 and May 2, 2020 across the system’s six hospitals, the study found 13% of those treated with hydroxychloroquine alone died compared to 26.4% not treated with hydroxychloroquine.
Ding.lovinlife101 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 3:27 pmMothers: “I don’t even know you, but I love you. You are priceless and precious. I will sacrifice everything for your good. You are unique and special. You are vulnerable and deserve protection and care.”
Monsters: “I don’t even know you, but I hate you. You are an inconvenience because I think only of myself. You are worthy of death by your very existence. I hate you so much that I will kill you and not allow you to live and be adopted by a loving family.”
Maybe because we used hydroxychloroquine?bmw wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 12:07 pmActually, it is disputable. Per-capita death rate thus far based on officially reported death tolls:Rate This wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 10:48 amMuch of Western Europe for starters. But also Japan, South Korea and apparently Rawanda. Apparently Rawanda did what we could not and beat the virus back well enough to be allowed travel to the EU... we remained banned. Our handling of this has been dead last among developed western nations. That’s not really disputable.
1 in 1510 UK
1 in 1653 Spain
1 in 1732 Italy
1 in 1887 Sweden
1 in 2247 France
1 in 2552 USA
Thus, 5 developed western nations have higher death rates relative to their population than does the United States. And death tolls are, IMO, a far more accurate stat to look at than reported infections since I'm sure far more of the deaths are reported than are the cases.
However, at least based on official numbers, you are correct about Japan, South Korea, and Rwanda. BUT....their time is coming. Either that, or their reporting is very inaccurate. I don't know how Rwanda can only claim 3 deaths in a population of 12 million people.