Surprised It Took This Long

[km1125]

I'm not sure the year lines up with those numbers, but the last stats I saw for unarmed were 10 or 12 AA and 30 Caucasians.

[Bryce]

Well, I guess we have found out how the residents and business owners in the "Chop" zone feel about the occupiers. It is also an abject lesson on what will happen without a police presence.

SEATTLE (AP) — Faced with growing pressure to crack down on an “occupied” protest zone following two weekend shootings, Seattle’s mayor said Monday that officials will move to wind down the blocks-long span of city streets taken over two weeks ago that President Donald Trump asserted is run by “anarchists.”

Mayor Jenny Durkan said the violence was distracting from changes sought by thousands of peaceful protesters opposing racial inequity and police brutality. She said at a news conference that the city is working with the community to bring the “Capitol Hill Occupied Protest” zone, or CHOP, to an end and that police soon would move back into a precinct building they had largely abandoned in the area.

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Well, I guess we have found out how the residents and business owners in the "Chop" zone feel about the occupiers. It is also an abject lesson on what will happen without a police presence.

SEATTLE (AP) — Faced with growing pressure to crack down on an “occupied” protest zone following two weekend shootings, Seattle’s mayor said Monday that officials will move to wind down the blocks-long span of city streets taken over two weeks ago that President Donald Trump asserted is run by “anarchists.”

Mayor Jenny Durkan said the violence was distracting from changes sought by thousands of peaceful protesters opposing racial inequity and police brutality. She said at a news conference that the city is working with the community to bring the “Capitol Hill Occupied Protest” zone, or CHOP, to an end and that police soon would move back into a precinct building they had largely abandoned in the area.

Most people are calling for a deescalation and less funding. Most people don’t want no police at all however. The model does need to change though. Policing and the justice and court systems are clearly broken.

[Bryce]

Most people are calling for a deescalation and less funding. Most people don’t want no police at all however. The model does need to change though. Policing and the justice and court systems are clearly broken.

The same folks calling for less funding to fix something that they think is broken, call for MORE funding for other things that are even more broken.

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Most people are calling for a deescalation and less funding. Most people don’t want no police at all however. The model does need to change though. Policing and the justice and court systems are clearly broken.

The same folks calling for less funding to fix something that they think is broken, call for MORE funding for other things that are even more broken.

More funding is the problem in this case. Again the universe is not black and white... it’s shades of grey. What works well for one thing may make something else worse.

[Bryce]

More funding is the problem in this case.

How is more funding for police departments a problem in this case?

Again the universe is not black and white... it’s shades of grey. What works well for one thing may make something else worse.

May, MAY, there isn't a whole lot of evidence you provide.

[bmw]

You want real change? You want to fix some of these problems? How about defunding this country's indoctrination centers (ie, colleges and universities).

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You want real change? You want to fix some of these problems? How about defunding this country's indoctrination centers (ie, colleges and universities).

Have you ever attended a college or university?

[bmw]

You want real change? You want to fix some of these problems? How about defunding this country's indoctrination centers (ie, colleges and universities).

Have you ever attended a college or university?

Yes. Saginaw Valley. For 6 years. But that was between 1999 and 2005. Things have changed a lot since then. Even then I had a lot of liberal professors, but they weren't nutjobs. Based on the beliefs and behaviors I see from today's university attendants, I'm left to conclude that this has changed significantly since my time in college.

[Bryce]

You want real change? You want to fix some of these problems? How about defunding this country's indoctrination centers (ie, colleges and universities).

Don'f forget government run grade and high schools.

You would have enjoyed the conversation at one of the group parent teacher conference's I attended a number of years ago. My daughter came home and was sobbing. When I asked her what was wrong she said she was sad because her teacher told her that all the polar bears were going to die unless we stop driving cars.

Some of the parents in attendance were entertained, some were aghast, the teacher ended up leaving the conference.

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More funding is the problem in this case.

How is more funding for police departments a problem in this case?

Again the universe is not black and white... it’s shades of grey. What works well for one thing may make something else worse.

May, MAY, there isn't a whole lot of evidence you provide.

That’s meant as a general statement and I think you know that. Nice try.

The police have been overly built up and too much like a military unit for several years. This causes citizens to feel like they are being occupied rather than protected. Defunding doesn’t mean eliminating. Just reducing the ominous presence.

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You want real change? You want to fix some of these problems? How about defunding this country's indoctrination centers (ie, colleges and universities).

Have you ever attended a college or university?

Yes. Saginaw Valley. For 6 years. But that was between 1999 and 2005. Things have changed a lot since then. Even then I had a lot of liberal professors, but they weren't nutjobs. Based on the beliefs and behaviors I see from today's university attendants, I'm left to conclude that this has changed significantly since my time in college.

Much of it isn’t even that... social media has done more to link people together. Most students ignore the supposed indoctrination anyway.

[MWmetalhead]

Wait a minute! Before that can even be considered, someone that owns a home or business in that area, that doesn't want to be part of this nonsense, needs to be compensated.

Doesn't look like the people unlawfully occupying this area has a thousand dollars between them.

To be clear - my proposal was to allow the citizens in that district to vote in favor of secession/disincorporation from the city of Seattle.

I was not advocating for "mob rule."

If this district were to spin-off into a newly created city, that city would need to put forth a functioning government and demonstrate an ability to deliver basic services in accordance with the laws of the state of Washington.

Washington, similar to Michigan and the vast majority of states, is a home rule state.

[Bryce]

Some of the citizens are "voting"...

Seattle CHOP zone prompts lawsuit from businesses, residents: reports

Numerous Seattle businesses – including an auto repair shop, a tattoo parlor and a property management company – sued the city Wednesday, alleging city officials were complicit in allowing an “occupied protest” that has made them feel unsafe in their neighborhood, according to reports.

Workers and residents also joined the lawsuit over CHOP, the Capitol Hill Occupied Protest, which drew scorn from President Trump and other critics who accused Mayor Jenny Durkan, the city’s police chief and other city leaders of turning the area over to “anarchists.”