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The Railroading Of Garrett Rolfe

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Re: The Railroading Of Garrett Rolfe

Post by bmw » Thu Jun 18, 2020 11:00 pm

Another thing worth pointing out here is motive as to why the guy ran. I'm not buying the "black guy afraid of a white cop" narrative for one second. This one is actually quite simple. He was out on parole. He knew that a drunk driving charge may well have sent him back to prison to serve the remainder of his sentence. I can almost guarantee that THAT was what was running through his mind the moment he decided to make a break for it, NOT "I'm black and this cop is white."

ALSO a question I haven't seen asked or answered...and I'm only assuming here, but wouldn't the cops have known this guy's history when they interrogated him? Don't they have instant access to background check information? If they were aware of his history of violence, that for me only adds to the justification to shoot him once he stole the officer's taser and shot it.



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Re: The Railroading Of Garrett Rolfe

Post by Bryce » Thu Jun 18, 2020 11:13 pm

bmw wrote:
Thu Jun 18, 2020 11:00 pm
ALSO a question I haven't seen asked or answered...and I'm only assuming here, but wouldn't the cops have known this guy's history when they interrogated him? Don't they have instant access to background check information? If they were aware of his history of violence, that for me only adds to the justification to shoot him once he stole the officer's taser and shot it.
When a police officer in the state of Michigan runs a licence plate, they find out make and model of vehicle, who the vehicle is registered too, if insurance is current and if there are warrants out for the registered owner.

To get criminal record information they would typically need to have his licence and DOB.

May be different in GA. I don't know.


New York and Chicago were all in with respect to their sanctuary status — until they were hit with the challenge of actually providing sanctuary. In other words, typical liberal hypocrisy.

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Re: The Railroading Of Garrett Rolfe

Post by TC Shuts Up » Fri Jun 19, 2020 4:37 am

TC Talks is a classic example of "White Guilt Syndrome", which resulted from an overprivileged childhood where he likely DID oppress African Americans. The way I heard it, people like TC Talks rival Mitt Romney's privileged childhood. The rest of us weren't coddled and given everything we asked for, after throwing temper tantrums. The rest of us struggled to get where we did. Some more, some less, but never in a position to ever oppress African Americans like Mitt Romney was. I'm about done putting up with his BS.


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Re: The Railroading Of Garrett Rolfe

Post by TC Talks » Fri Jun 19, 2020 2:01 pm

I bet the charges stand and that incident changes how things are done in Atlanta.

Meanwhile, looks like another trigger happy cop is heading to the unemployment line. Bryce, defend why police should enter your house and kill you with no probably cause.
The police in Louisville, Ky., are moving to terminate one of the officers involved in the death of Breonna Taylor, Mayor Greg Fischer announced on Friday, the first such action taken in a case that has drawn widespread criticism and national protests.

The officer, Brett Hankison, was one of three officers who used a no-knock warrant to enter the apartment with a battering ram, during a late-night drug investigation in March. The officers shot Ms. Taylor at least eight times.

The killing of Ms. Taylor, a 26-year-old black emergency medical technician, has for weeks fueled widespread protests and escalating questions about why little action had been taken. None of the officers have been charged.

Those questions only intensified last week when the police released a four-page incident report of Ms. Taylor’s death, containing minimal details and aberrations, including listing “none” under victim injuries.


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Re: The Railroading Of Garrett Rolfe

Post by TC Talks » Sat Jun 20, 2020 10:50 am

Here's a bit of history behind why Black Lives Matter is pushing so hard for police reforms...

Still believe police aren't the problem in the United States?

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“In 1866, one year after the 13 Amendment was ratified (the amendment that ended slavery), Alabama, Texas, Louisiana, Arkansas, Georgia, Mississippi, Florida, Tennessee, and South Carolina began to lease out convicts for labor (peonage). This made the business of arresting Blacks very lucrative, which is why hundreds of White men were hired by these states as police officers. Their primary responsibility was to search out and arrest Blacks who were in violation of Black Codes. Once arrested, these men, women and children would be leased to plantations where they would harvest cotton, tobacco, sugar cane. Or they would be leased to work at coal mines, or railroad companies. The owners of these businesses would pay the state for every prisoner who worked for them; prison labor.
It is believed that after the passing of the 13th Amendment, more than 800,000 Blacks were part of the system of peonage, or re-enslavement through the prison system. Peonage didn’t end until after World War II began, around 1940.
This is how it happened.
The 13th Amendment declared that "Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction." (Ratified in 1865)
Did you catch that? It says, “neither slavery nor involuntary servitude could occur except as a punishment for a crime.” Lawmakers used this phrase to make petty offenses crimes. When Blacks were found guilty of committing these crimes, they were imprisoned and then leased out to the same businesses that lost slaves after the passing of the 13th Amendment. This system of convict labor is called peonage.
The majority of White Southern farmers and business owners hated the 13th Amendment because it took away slave labor. As a way to appease them, the federal government turned a blind eye when southern states used this clause in the 13th Amendment to establish laws called Black Codes.
Here are some examples of Black Codes:
In Louisiana, it was illegal for a Black man to preach to Black congregations without special permission in writing from the president of the police. If caught, he could be arrested and fined. If he could not pay the fines, which were unbelievably high, he would be forced to work for an individual, or go to jail or prison where he would work until his debt was paid off. If a Black person did not have a job, he or she could be arrested and imprisoned on the charge of vagrancy or loitering.
This next Black Code will make you cringe. In South Carolina, if the parent of a Black child was considered vagrant, the judicial system allowed the police and/or other government agencies to “apprentice” the child to an "employer". Males could be held until the age of 21, and females could be held until they were 18. Their owner had the legal right to inflict punishment on the child for disobedience, and to recapture them if they ran away.
This (peonage) is an example of systemic racism - Racism established and perpetuated by government systems. Slavery was made legal by the U.S. Government. Segregation, Black Codes, Jim Crow and peonage were all made legal by the government, and upheld by the judicial system. These acts of racism were built into the system, which is where the term “Systemic Racism” is derived.
This is the part of "Black History" that most of us were never told about.”

So let's look at Private Prisons today...

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In 2017, officials at the Stewart immigration detention center in Georgia placed Shoaib Ahmed, a 24-year-old immigrant from Bangladesh, in solitary confinement for encouraging fellow workers to stop working.

Ahmed, who was paid 50 cents per hour to work within the facility, was upset because his $20 paycheck was delayed. His punishment was solitary confinement for 10 days, where he was subject to deplorable conditions – a cell with no access to other workers, only an hour of out of cell time per day and showers only three times per week. Detailing the impact that severe isolation has had on his mental health, Ahmed said: “I think the segregation will kill me.”

Stewart is operated by the largest prison corporation in the US, CoreCivic (formerly Corrections Corporation of America), under a contract with Immigration and Customs Enforcement (Ice). The corporation’s net income last year was $178m.

Ahmed’s experience mirrors that of a growing number of detained immigrants at facilities across the US who are subjected to forced labor.

In April, we filed a lawsuit on behalf of Shoaib Ahmed and others against CoreCivic, alleging that the prison corporation violates human trafficking laws and employs a deprivation scheme to force immigrants detained at Stewart to work for sub-minimum wages, and then threatens to punish them for refusing to work through solitary confinement or loss of access to necessities. A lawsuit against Geo Group, another prison corporation, is moving forward for using similar practices at the Aurora Detention Center in Colorado, violating the Trafficking Victims Protection Act.

Stewart relies on the labor of detained immigrants to keep the cooking and cleaning and other basic operations going. How convenient and profitable for the largest and wealthiest prison corporation to exploit detained immigrant labor rather than hire regularly waged employees.

CoreCivic’s abuse and exploitation of detained immigrants’ labor as part of its profit-making schemes constitute a contemporary form of slavery as we detailed in a submission to the UN special rapporteur on the human rights of migrants. The International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (which the US has ratified) states, “slavery … in all [its] forms shall be prohibited,” and that no one, including detained immigrants, “shall be required to perform forced or compulsory labor”.

Stewart employs a deprivation system in which officials provide immigrants with inadequate food and basic living supplies and require immigrants to purchase them at exorbitant costs at the commissary. While officials portray the labor program as “voluntary” in light of the 13th amendment of the US constitution, detained immigrants are often penalized for refusing to work. Officials at Stewart take advantage of immigrants for cheap labor and overuse solitary confinement to punish immigrants, oftentimes for the mere act of speaking up and demanding their rights, as happened to Shoaib Ahmed.

CoreCivic’s exploitation of detained immigrants’ labor as part of its profit-making constitutes a modern form of slavery
Adding to the deprivation system, Stewart officials enforce unreasonably strict eating schedules and provide immigrants with inadequate food portions, forcing many immigrants to purchase additional food from overpriced commissaries, as detailed in a report released last year. Almost all immigrants detained at Stewart say they are given insufficient food. As one detained immigrant from Mexico stated: “I believe the reason why the facility gives the detainees so little food is so we will have to buy food from the commissary. Everything in the commissary is expensive. I spend $80 a week, $320 a month, in the commissary.”

None of this bothered a group of 18 Republican lawmakers including three from Georgia who sent a letter to Jeff Sessions, Ice, and the Department of Labor asking them to help the private prison company Geo Group defend itself against the lawsuits. They actually alleged that the labor programs are good for the detained individuals as they “reduce the negative impact of confinement through decreased idleness, improved morale, and [lead to] fewer disciplinary incidents”.

Improved morale? Shoaib Ahmed, who has since been deported and still suffers from psychological trauma and distress, would beg to differ.

These legislators’ support for the prison corporations perhaps should not come as a surprise. CoreCivic gave $295,642 in federal political contributions during the 2016 election cycle. Ninety-six percent of that money went to Republicans, including Lamar Smith of Texas, one of the signatories of the letter.

Private prison companies contributed $1.6m during the 2016 federal election cycle.

Immigrants who choose to work at the detention facilities should be paid a living wage. It goes without saying that they should not be pressured into working. Prison corporations that have for years enriched themselves by exploiting detained immigrant labor should be held accountable. So should the politicians who support this inhumane and illegal scheme.

Azadeh Shahshahani is legal & advocacy director at Project South and a past president of the National Lawyers Guild. She tweets @ashahshahani. The federal class action lawsuit was filed by Project South jointly with the Southern Poverty Law Center, attorney Andrew Free, and the law firm Burns Charest LLP against CoreCivic.


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Re: The Railroading Of Garrett Rolfe

Post by screen glare » Sat Jun 20, 2020 2:23 pm

White people fear black males - both men and teens.

And black males - both men and teens - fear white cops.

No trust. Zero.

Only fear - which morphs into anger, loathing, lashing out.

Back to Africa, Separate But Equal, Bussing, and other ideas to help the racial divide between white/non-white in The United States have all been rejected, reviled, or proved unworkable/unjust in various ways over our history.

Racism is rooted in fear. Therefore love in action is the only way to arrest its destructive generational survival.

Racism is taught in the home before age six. Therefore children in kindergarten must all be taught that diversity is beautiful and desirable in The USA. Experts in early childhood education should be hired by the federal government to devise such educational programs. Songs, games, age appropriate history lessons, media images, etc. making up the program can be integrated into each state’s public school system.

Racist parents fearful of such a program can home school or pay for private education.

Eventually the old boisterous fearful adult racists will die off. New generations taught early not to fear God’s diverse creation will grow up more open-minded, with softer hearts instead of suspicion. As this accelerates and spreads generation after generation - racism will slowly recede.

Perhaps as we all globally fight climate change, or pandemics, or issues which will kill us unless we work together - we will no longer be afraid of persons who look, sound, worship, etc. differently than ourselves.

Just one progressive idea. Probably many more will be imagined by others to help the US change course away from this divisive racial fear/mistrust.
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Re: The Railroading Of Garrett Rolfe

Post by bmw » Sat Jun 20, 2020 2:40 pm

This guy is about as level-headed as they come. Been watching his youtube channel for some time now. Regardless of which side you're on, I suggest you watch his analysis. You might learn something you didn't know about the incident.




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Re: The Railroading Of Garrett Rolfe

Post by Deleted User 12047 » Sat Jun 20, 2020 3:10 pm

In 1921, over 300 innocent people were murdered by govt. and quasi-govt. law enforcement. No one was prosecuted and the "mainstream media" did what it could to cover it up.

In 2020, one possible guilty of "sleeping in a drive thru" man was killed by force by govt. law enforcement. Does charging him represent a H*** "swing of the pendulum" and perhaps an overreach?

TC Talks, don't bother with the long explanations. Somehow, people's opinions on this and other race issues are already baked in. Bryce, is this the wrong case to challenge the use of deadly force by police? Maybe.

The American economy was built on the backs of people who were involuntarily enslaved and received NO compensation for their efforts... and then America spent another 150 years trying to pretend it didn't happen.Then we built statures and tributes to those who fought to keep people enslaved. In many communities, police forces are charged with continuing that entire "3/5" mentality. Many people are beginning to awaken to that. Garrett Rolfe might be the lamb that is sacrificed to achieve a higher goal. (The current administration believes in the sacrifice of some people for the greater good too.. according to current comments by the President.)



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Re: The Railroading Of Garrett Rolfe

Post by TC Talks » Sat Jun 20, 2020 3:24 pm

Bryce is still fuming about cops being in a cruffule.

Now it seems that the Atlanta Police are staging a strike? I'm telling you, Police Unions are at the core of this racism.


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Re: The Railroading Of Garrett Rolfe

Post by Deleted User 12047 » Sat Jun 20, 2020 3:35 pm

"Kerfuffle"

Your spell check is not helping you



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Re: The Railroading Of Garrett Rolfe

Post by bmw » Sat Jun 20, 2020 4:56 pm

TC Talks wrote:
Sat Jun 20, 2020 3:24 pm
Bryce is still fuming about cops being in a cruffule.

Now it seems that the Atlanta Police are staging a strike? I'm telling you, Police Unions are at the core of this racism.
You are so, so wrong about this particular case. Well, you're wrong most of the time, but in this instance, you don't have the slightest clue what you're talking about.



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Re: The Railroading Of Garrett Rolfe

Post by TC Talks » Sat Jun 20, 2020 5:14 pm

I'm looking at this from the tax payer perspective. In that way, I know what is happening.


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Re: The Railroading Of Garrett Rolfe

Post by Bryce » Sun Jun 21, 2020 7:35 am

Radio Sucks wrote:
Sat Jun 20, 2020 3:10 pm
Bryce, is this the wrong case to challenge the use of deadly force by police? Maybe.
Why? In any other environment, at any other time, this officer wouldn't be charged. His life shouldn't be disrupted or ruined by a movement started by admitted Marxist agitators that was based completely on a lie.

From every shred of evidence I have been able to find, this is the PERFECT case in which to make a stand. One people should have taken before the life of Darren Wilson was ruined.

OH, and TC? I'll take you a bit more seriously if you also rally to take down the FDR Memorial and well as everything his name appears on. He did after all imprison over 120,000 people, two thirds of which were American citizens, and stripped them of their property without an iota of due process.


New York and Chicago were all in with respect to their sanctuary status — until they were hit with the challenge of actually providing sanctuary. In other words, typical liberal hypocrisy.

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Re: The Railroading Of Garrett Rolfe

Post by audiophile » Sun Jun 21, 2020 7:46 am

FDR was great military leader but a terrible president on domestic issues
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Re: The Railroading Of Garrett Rolfe

Post by Bryce » Sun Jun 21, 2020 7:47 am

TC Talks wrote:
Fri Jun 19, 2020 2:01 pm
IBryce, defend why police should enter your house and kill you with no probably cause.
I do not contend that there are no bad cops, bad departments, or that mistakes with horrific outcomes take place. However, I don't take the stand that you do that ALL cops and departments are racist, bad and should be disbanded. You've been reading Marx again haven't you?


New York and Chicago were all in with respect to their sanctuary status — until they were hit with the challenge of actually providing sanctuary. In other words, typical liberal hypocrisy.

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