Florida Kristian Asshole in Jail

[Turkeytop]

I don't like abortion either. I believe it's wrong. But if your courts have given women that right, I don't see how you can use a public health crisis as an excuse to take away that right.

[TC Talks]

Let's get back to the guy in jail in Florida. Anyone like him needs to go away.

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I want to preface this by saying I was going to church every Sunday. I love the Lord. Currently during this crisis, my church livestreams our Pastor all by his lonesome every Sunday. The way it should be. And at my church, there are several mechanisms in place to continue to pay our tithes and offerings. Online. A drop box on the church porch, etc.

And this pastor in Florida could be doing the same. He already livestreams. He already, before the crisis started, was doing it.
And it is beyond irresponsible that he is having service. If someone that attends one of those services, even of their own free will, catches the Corona, I think he is liable. He should of known better. There was no reason to gather.

I have a theory why he (and some other churches) are doing it. Show me the money. I ponder what percentage of his churches income is from folks who only give when they show up? When they don't come to church, they don't donate another way? It's really the only reason I can think of as to why a church would continue to have services. Close the door and lose your income stream.

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He is testing God. Bible verses say don’t do that.

He is saying to attendees - come here to my “mega-theatre-called-church” and display your faith that God will protect you from this virus.

He is saying to God - I’m inviting people to disobey science-trusting health authorities - and instead believe me - because I know you God will protect them from sickness and death. I’m giving you a chance to prove your power to my flock and the world!

Uh, Mr. Minister? Scientific research with inspiration, trial, and breakthrough IS an answer to prayer. Just sayin’, Preacherman.

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bmw - I do not believe the fetus is equivalent to private property as you state about me on this thread.

As I stated on this board in another thread earlier - were I female I would not choose abortion. I would not choose to terminate a pregnancy.

I said what the pregnant female chooses to do with her body is her private decision. Nobody can make the inescapable decision to carry/deliver, or abort, except each and every pregnant female.

I also have asked you and all anti-abortion folks on this board to come up with a workable plan to stop all abortions - legal or not - DIY/assisted/or act of God “miscarriage”. Nobody can come up with such a plan. Why? Because abortion will always be with us.

You could place each pregnant female on 24/7/365 monitored imprisonment until delivery. But that might not be workable. And short of that - how will you or anyone ever stop abortion?

Abortion will always be with us.

[Deleted User 24]

Abortion will always be with us.

Here's a challenge--three of them, actually--to everyone on this board.

1. Give a nonreligious reason why safe, medically supervised abortion shouldn't be legal.

2. Give a nonreligious reason why safe, medically supervised stem cell research shouldn't be legal.

3. Give a nonreligious reason why 2 persons of the same sex should be forbidden to marry each other.

[bmw]

bmw - I do not believe the fetus is equivalent to private property as you state about me on this thread.

As I stated on this board in another thread earlier - were I female I would not choose abortion. I would not choose to terminate a pregnancy.

I said what the pregnant female chooses to do with her body is her private decision. Nobody can make the inescapable decision to carry/deliver, or abort, except each and every pregnant female.

I also have asked you and all anti-abortion folks on this board to come up with a workable plan to stop all abortions - legal or not - DIY/assisted/or act of God “miscarriage”. Nobody can come up with such a plan. Why? Because abortion will always be with us.

You could place each pregnant female on 24/7/365 monitored imprisonment until delivery. But that might not be workable. And short of that - how will you or anyone ever stop abortion?

Abortion will always be with us.

Just so we're clear, here is your exact quote (March 6 of this year):

No matter. Bottom line is - majority opinion of US population - including females - is pro choice.

And in a very plain way - THAT majority opinion will over rule Roberts, Gorsuch, Kavanaugh, Tweedle Dee, Tweedle Dumb Trump, and any other human who tries to stop American females from controlling their own private property - their bodies. And their lives.

As plain as plain can be.

Ok, so you said a woman's body is her own "private property." The clear implication here, given your stance on abortion, is that the fetus contained therein is part of a woman's body, and thus, "private property."

[Bryce]

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Here's a challenge--three of them, actually--to everyone on this board.

1. Give a nonreligious reason why safe, medically supervised abortion shouldn't be legal.

I'll handle number one.

Once there is a heartbeat you have a human being. Maybe not self supporting, but a being nonetheless. Aborting a being is murder, pure and simple.

A court decision confirms this.

after seven days of deliberation that involved the replacement of two jurors, Scott Peterson was convicted of the first-degree murder of his wife and the second-degree murder of his unborn son.

[Deleted User 24]

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Here's a challenge--three of them, actually--to everyone on this board.

1. Give a nonreligious reason why safe, medically supervised abortion shouldn't be legal.

I'll handle number one.

Once there is a heartbeat you have a human being. Maybe not self supporting, but a being nonetheless. Aborting a being is murder, pure and simple.

A court decision confirms this.

after seven days of deliberation that involved the replacement of two jurors, Scott Peterson was convicted of the first-degree murder of his wife and the second-degree murder of his unborn son.

What court? What jurisdiction? Needs context.

[Bryce]

What court? What jurisdiction? Needs context.

Even the Peoples Republic of California considers the termination of a fetus past eight weeks to be murder.

Arraignment in Stanislaus County Superior Court before Judge Nancy Ashley. Peterson is charged with two felony counts of murder with premeditation and special circumstances. Peterson pleads not guilty.
- Under California law, the special circumstance allows the prosecution to seek the death penalty. There are two counts because of California's fetal homicide statute, any fetus -- meaning eight weeks of development and onward -- is considered an equal victim.

https://www.cnn.com/2013/10/15/us/scott ... index.html

[Deleted User 24]

It's a weak argument (state law, only applicable in California), but at least you made it.

[Bryce]

It's a weak argument (state law, only applicable in California), but at least you made it.

Don't you wonder why this law hasn't been challenged to the SCOTUS?

[Deleted User 24]

It's a weak argument (state law, only applicable in California), but at least you made it.

Don't you wonder why this law hasn't been challenged to the SCOTUS?

I'll leave that to greater legal minds than yours or mine.

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It's a weak argument (state law, only applicable in California), but at least you made it.

Don't you wonder why this law hasn't been challenged to the SCOTUS?

It would never be the primary charge... challenging it if you get the death penalty would have no point.

[Turkeytop]

Looks like Florida's Governor is giving him a free pass.

Florida Follows Others in Allowing Church Amid Stay-Home Order


Florida Governor Ron DeSantis signed a stay-at-home order after weeks of rejecting calls for such a measure. But like other mandates ranging from New York to New Mexico, it ensures that Floridians can still attend religious services.

The carve-out for houses of worship comes as authorities across the U.S. have cited religious leaders for violating social-distancing guidelines meant to blunt the spread of the new coronavirus. One pastor was charged in Hillsborough County, Florida, which encompasses Tampa, for defying a county stay-at-home order.

“This virus doesn’t discriminate -- it endangers people whether they gather for religious or secular purposes, and it puts entire communities at risk,” Rachel Laser, president and chief executive officer of Americans United for Separation of Church and State, said in a statement Tuesday.

DeSantis made the exception as he became the latest state leader to put statewide restrictions on movement, finally giving in after shrugging off criticism for weeks. His order comes after similar steps Tuesday in Texas, another late mover that made an exception for religious worship. Michigan imposed a stay-at-home order with a religious carve-out effective March 24.

Religious gatherings were also exempted from Ohio’s stay-at-home order, issued Sunday by Republican Governor Mike DeWine. Solid Rock, an Ohio megachurch whose Cincinnati location hosted an event for evangelical supporters of President Donald Trump last month, held an in-person service Sunday and said on its website that it would exert a constitutional right to continue meeting.

Other states that allow some exemption for religious services include Delaware, Kansas, Louisiana, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, Pennsylvania and West Virginia, according to the Center for American Progress.

In Florida, Covid-19 cases have been surging, and researchers are concerned the state could suffer one of America’s highest death counts, in part because of its large 65-and-older community.

DeSantis altered his stance after Trump extended social-distancing guidelines through the end of the month and acknowledged grim predictions for the weeks ahead. The White House now projects the virus could kill between 100,000 and 240,000 Americans.

Vice President Mike Pence told ABC’s “Nightline” on Wednesday that people shouldn’t attend church services of more than 10 worshippers.

The Florida order goes into effect at 12:01 a.m. Friday and will be similar to guidelines already issued in Miami-Dade County, the state’s top population center.

“This thing is really nasty,” DeSantis said Wednesday. “It’s something that’s caused a lot of harm to a lot of people, and I think that we need to have all levers going.”


For weeks, DeSantis took only incremental steps, allowing crowds in some parts of the state to flock to beaches and flout social-distancing guidelines. He said he opposed using a “blunt instrument” such as a stay-at-home order, arguing that conditions varied widely across the large state of 21.5 million.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... home-order