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Black Lives Don't Matter?

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Black Lives Don't Matter?

Post by Bryce » Fri Aug 09, 2019 9:55 am

From The New York Times, August 5th 2019
The police said seven people were killed and 52 wounded by gunfire throughout Chicago from Friday evening to Sunday, including a 5-year-old boy who was shot in the leg while sitting in a car.
There have been at least 300 homicides this year and 1,600 people shot, according to The Chicago Tribune.
52 shootings and seven dead during one weekend, yet nary a peep from Beto, Joe, Elizabeth, Kamala or Corey.

Either they don't care about black people shooting black people or because they don't have a chance to call the President racist because of these shootings/killings, it's not important for them to talk about it.
Illinois has among the strictest gun laws in the country, requiring most residents to acquire a license, or Firearm Owner’s Identification card, before legally owning a firearm or ammunition. Last year, lawmakers passed a measure requiring a 72-hour waiting period for gun purchases and a so-called red flag law, which President Trump endorsed in a speech on Monday and that allows relatives and law enforcement officials to ask courts to confiscate firearms from people deemed a threat to themselves or others. But many of the illegal weapons seized in Chicago come from across the state line in Indiana, where gun laws are less restrictive.
Evidently, criminals don't obey the gun laws. Imagine that.


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Re: Black Lives Don't Matter?

Post by lovinlife101 » Fri Aug 09, 2019 12:36 pm

Bryce wrote:
Fri Aug 09, 2019 9:55 am
From The New York Times, August 5th 2019
The police said seven people were killed and 52 wounded by gunfire throughout Chicago from Friday evening to Sunday, including a 5-year-old boy who was shot in the leg while sitting in a car.
There have been at least 300 homicides this year and 1,600 people shot, according to The Chicago Tribune.
52 shootings and seven dead during one weekend, yet nary a peep from Beto, Joe, Elizabeth, Kamala or Corey.

Either they don't care about black people shooting black people or because they don't have a chance to call the President racist because of these shootings/killings, it's not important for them to talk about it.
Illinois has among the strictest gun laws in the country, requiring most residents to acquire a license, or Firearm Owner’s Identification card, before legally owning a firearm or ammunition. Last year, lawmakers passed a measure requiring a 72-hour waiting period for gun purchases and a so-called red flag law, which President Trump endorsed in a speech on Monday and that allows relatives and law enforcement officials to ask courts to confiscate firearms from people deemed a threat to themselves or others. But many of the illegal weapons seized in Chicago come from across the state line in Indiana, where gun laws are less restrictive.
Evidently, criminals don't obey the gun laws. Imagine that.
Don’t worry, screen glare has a plan to reduce gun violence by disarming law-abiding citizens. And since criminals follow all laws, they will use their “common sense” in relation to “common sense” gun laws.

There was a document a long time ago that said the right to bear arms shall not be infringed upon. Meaning, the citizen’s right to have guns should not be limited at all. Does that still apply here or are we just making this up as we go?



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Re: Black Lives Don't Matter?

Post by screen glare » Fri Aug 09, 2019 2:32 pm

Gangs. Turf wars. Gang gun battles. Drive bys. Cross-fire. Semi-automatic weaponry - don’t need many shooters to have high death count.

Drugs. Drug wars. Drug/cash gun battles. Drive bys. Cross-fire.

White guy gun nuts to intervene?
Like Walmart?
Why didn’t they kill white shooter? Open and concealed weapon carriers all packing heat.
Where were they? Crouched in the Depends isle?

Black Chicago gang bangers, drug “soldiers”
better shots? No fear? Less fear?

Just askin’.



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Re: Black Lives Don't Matter?

Post by lovinlife101 » Fri Aug 09, 2019 3:09 pm

screen glare wrote:
Fri Aug 09, 2019 2:32 pm
Gangs. Turf wars. Gang gun battles. Drive bys. Cross-fire. Semi-automatic weaponry - don’t need many shooters to have high death count.

Drugs. Drug wars. Drug/cash gun battles. Drive bys. Cross-fire.

White guy gun nuts to intervene?
Like Walmart?
Why didn’t they kill white shooter? Open and concealed weapon carriers all packing heat.
Where were they? Crouched in the Depends isle?

Black Chicago gang bangers, drug “soldiers”
better shots? No fear? Less fear?

Just askin’.
I’m going to need a quick Rosetta Stone course to find out what you just said there.

screen glare: “Restrict laws for law-abiding citizens!!!”

That “solution” doesn’t work.

Do you see a call to ban alcohol after a drunk driving accident? Nope! Why? Because it’s ignorant. Restricting alcohol laws? Nope! Why don’t we punish the person who committed the crime rather than banning an inanimate object and pretending to act like it did anything?



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Re: Black Lives Don't Matter?

Post by screen glare » Fri Aug 09, 2019 3:51 pm

Punishment - especially the death penalty, Mr. “pro-life”, is no deterrent to murder.

Built in Breathalyzer blow technology to start vehicles and drive could reduce drunk driving deaths and injuries.

No ability to move a vehicle while driver using a cell phone could also reduce devastating traffic accidents of all kinds.

Get rid of automatic assault weaponry. Offer buy backs. Make those guns illegal to sell. Offer rewards to help track and confiscate them.
Universal background checks are supported by most Americans.
Track materials to build explosives. And/or amounts of chems, fertilizers, etc. being purchased by individuals.
Ban certain ammunition magazines, track individual purchases of ammo.
No more gun shows.
No more loopholes.


The idea always is to decrease deaths, and injuries. Make things better. If not perfect. Nothing is ever perfect where humans are involved.

Do you believe those “founding fathers” in favor of the second amendment to the US Constitution could have ever imagined Columbine, Parkland, Sandy Hook school shootings and those weapons, and victims? Or the Pulse Night Club, El Paso Walmart, Las Vegas concert slaughters? If you say “yes” - you’re a dolt.

Besides killing British forces with muskets - let’s also bring back 20-paces dueling - to settle arguments! Ain’t nostalgia great? Whatever was the way of doing things 240+ years ago - don’t change a thing!!!



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Re: Black Lives Don't Matter?

Post by Bryce » Fri Aug 09, 2019 4:14 pm

screen glare wrote:
Fri Aug 09, 2019 3:51 pm
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Get rid of automatic assault weaponry. Offer buy backs. Make those guns illegal to sell.
They already are. You haven't been able to legally buy a automatic assault weapon in this country since the early '80's.
screen glare wrote:
Fri Aug 09, 2019 3:51 pm
No more gun shows.
Not one, none, nada, zilch, guns purchased at a gun show has been used for a mass murder.

How about we figure out how to stop the mass murder of people in Chicago that happens almost every weekend? None of the major political figures are or have ever cared enough to tackle this. It's been going on for years. Banning guns hasn't worked there.

Personally, I think they are afraid to tackle the issue because it will show that the current violence taking place in that city is the direct result of failed liberal policy.


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Re: Black Lives Don't Matter?

Post by audiophile » Fri Aug 09, 2019 6:33 pm

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screen glare wrote:
Fri Aug 09, 2019 3:51 pm
Punishment - especially the death penalty, Mr. “pro-life”, is no deterrent to murder.
Think it is a deterrent, but I still don't support it.

Built in Breathalyzer blow technology to start vehicles and drive could reduce drunk driving deaths and injuries.
Why does everyone needs this expense? I NEVER drink.

No ability to move a vehicle while driver using a cell phone could also reduce devastating traffic accidents of all kinds.
That would never work on a car and would be very expensive. Cell phone disabled while in motion would work.

Get rid of automatic assault weaponry. Offer buy backs. Make those guns illegal to sell. Offer rewards to help track and confiscate them.
Universal background checks are supported by most Americans.
Track materials to build explosives. And/or amounts of chems, fertilizers, etc. being purchased by individuals.
Massive overreach. I don't think government needs to know if my 80+ year old family member is farming, nor should he be treated like criminal.

Ban certain ammunition magazines, track individual purchases of ammo.
Massive overreach to track ammo.
No more gun shows.
There is nothing wrong with a gun show.
No more loopholes.

The idea always is to decrease deaths, and injuries. Make things better. If not perfect. Nothing is ever perfect where humans are involved.

Do you believe those “founding fathers” in favor of the second amendment to the US Constitution could have ever imagined Columbine, Parkland, Sandy Hook school shootings and those weapons, and victims? Or the Pulse Night Club, El Paso Walmart, Las Vegas concert slaughters? If you say “yes” - you’re a dolt.

Besides killing British forces with muskets - let’s also bring back 20-paces dueling - to settle arguments! Ain’t nostalgia great? Whatever was the way of doing things 240+ years ago - don’t change a thing!!!
Yes and the founders knew that and still added it to constitution. A government that offers complete safety and security, will kill all liberty. Not worth it!


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Re: Black Lives Don't Matter?

Post by TC Talks » Fri Aug 09, 2019 10:00 pm

The founding fathers had single shot muskets. I am fine with anyone owning one. Modern weapons built to kill people in the battlefield are not what they considered.

How does someone of faith defend owning weapons designed solely to kill?


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Re: Black Lives Don't Matter?

Post by screen glare » Fri Aug 09, 2019 10:14 pm

Well then change automatic to semi automatic, Bryce.



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Re: Black Lives Don't Matter?

Post by screen glare » Fri Aug 09, 2019 10:24 pm

Hey there audiophile. If I were a law maker and you were a lawmaker we could talk about my suggestions and your responses and your suggestions and my responses - and reach some compromises toward the goals of decreasing deaths and injuries.

It’s what Congress is supposed to do.

Too bad we’re not Congress. We might actually be able to come up with bi-partisan changes that could make things better. Not perfect. Better.

Which is good.



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Re: Black Lives Don't Matter?

Post by lovinlife101 » Sat Aug 10, 2019 6:20 am

screen glare wrote:
Fri Aug 09, 2019 3:51 pm
Punishment - especially the death penalty, Mr. “pro-life”, is no deterrent to murder.

Built in Breathalyzer blow technology to start vehicles and drive could reduce drunk driving deaths and injuries.

No ability to move a vehicle while driver using a cell phone could also reduce devastating traffic accidents of all kinds.

Get rid of automatic assault weaponry. Offer buy backs. Make those guns illegal to sell. Offer rewards to help track and confiscate them.
Universal background checks are supported by most Americans.
Track materials to build explosives. And/or amounts of chems, fertilizers, etc. being purchased by individuals.
Ban certain ammunition magazines, track individual purchases of ammo.
No more gun shows.
No more loopholes.


The idea always is to decrease deaths, and injuries. Make things better. If not perfect. Nothing is ever perfect where humans are involved.

Do you believe those “founding fathers” in favor of the second amendment to the US Constitution could have ever imagined Columbine, Parkland, Sandy Hook school shootings and those weapons, and victims? Or the Pulse Night Club, El Paso Walmart, Las Vegas concert slaughters? If you say “yes” - you’re a dolt.

Besides killing British forces with muskets - let’s also bring back 20-paces dueling - to settle arguments! Ain’t nostalgia great? Whatever was the way of doing things 240+ years ago - don’t change a thing!!!
Show me where I said “death penalty.”

Guy buy backs don’t work.

The second amendment was intended to allow citizens to protect themselves from an overreaching government. That means, the citizens should be just as well armed as the government.



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Re: Black Lives Don't Matter?

Post by TC Shuts Up » Sat Aug 10, 2019 8:05 am

TC Talks, why don't you go around the world and confiscate all the nukes? They're meant to kill millions in one shot. See where that gets you. Bet you don't make it back.


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Re: Black Lives Don't Matter?

Post by MWmetalhead » Sat Aug 10, 2019 8:18 am

I guess some of you don't like to read details closely. Did you see this line from Bryce's article?
But many of the illegal weapons seized in Chicago come from across the state line in Indiana, where gun laws are less restrictive.
East Chicago, IN & Hammon, IN are about a 10 - 20 minute drive from the most heavily crime infested neighborhoods of Chicago. This is why we need FEDERAL legislation.


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Re: Black Lives Don't Matter?

Post by MWmetalhead » Sat Aug 10, 2019 8:26 am

How about we figure out how to stop the mass murder of people in Chicago that happens almost every weekend? None of the major political figures are or have ever cared enough to tackle this.
We need more undercover officers to arrest drug pushers. That's step 1.

We need Indiana to toughen its gun laws or appropriate federal legislation passed. That's step 2.

We need to financially incentivize women who live in the ghetto to get their tubes tied so they don't procreate and give birth to children whom they are unable to properly raise. That's step 3. (This would be much more economical than paying welfare benefits for children and in 20 years we'd see a significant drop in inner-city violence.)


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Re: Black Lives Don't Matter?

Post by Y M Ionhere » Sat Aug 10, 2019 9:45 am

The anti-gun left here is really ignorant. But im really starting to believe they arent serious and are here not to debate but to get Democrats elected at any cost with extreme and irrational talking points.
But Ill bite.
Muskets? In many cases those WERE the "weapons of war" at the time the 2nd amendment was written. So, one could make the argument that military-grade weapons WERE what they had in mind.
Its also been said that in the 1700s, the military borrowed guns from private citizens in time of war to use in combat.
And lastly, many Constitutional scholars believe that the 2nd amendment was intended for private citizens to fight back in case the government because too powerful and overbearing. If that fear were to become reality, the government will have much more powerful weaponry. You cant fight tyrants when you have a musket.
And in this day and age, we are doomed anyway. Someone who has an illegally obtained high-powered weapon-or one thats been modified illegally- and is mad at your kid for snitching him out-will still shoot up your house. If all you could legally own is a musket, good luck protecting your family.
Theres enough powerful guns out there that if they were banned and turned in, even confiscated, we still wont see many improvements during our lifetime. Plenty of guns will still be out there and being used. And wouldnt a gun seizure plausibly be a reason many would interpret for the 2nd amendment to exist in the first place?
You all love to compare Trump to Hitler. Well, Hitler was the kind of guy many of us believe the founding fathers feared could come along. Notice he banned and seized guns. So if you want to ban firearms, including taking them by force, and at the same time you call Trump "Hitler", you are either not very bright, or extremely dishonest. I suspect the latter.
At this point, we need to keep, at minimum,handguns legal because the bad guys are going to have them for at least the next generation so banning them gives them even more power and the rest of the population even less chance at defense.
So, in conclusion, if the military and civilians were using similar guns at the time, how can we determine beyond our feelings that the same would apply today? Technology advanced. Nobody saw that coming. Moreover, if there were invading forces-terrorist cells attacking, etc-in neighborhoods (there have been allegations of terrorist training camps operating in the US), would the second amendment allow private citizens to defend their communities? So wouldnt comparable weapons be needed?



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