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I’m Really Concerned about the Divide in America

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Re: I’m Really Concerned about the Divide in America

Post by craig11152 » Fri May 10, 2019 2:47 pm

lovinlife101 wrote:
Fri May 10, 2019 1:11 pm
Disagreement, dissent, and division made this country
Disagreement, dissent, and division also brought to power Joseph Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Franco, Pinochet, Hitler, there is a pretty long list of evil people who came to power during times of disagreement, dissent, and division. So it can be a dangerous thing


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Re: I’m Really Concerned about the Divide in America

Post by Mega Hertz » Fri May 10, 2019 3:08 pm

Someday, I'll get around to posting these on YouTube (just for the historical purposes of the anchors/newspeople), but we had our own little "issue" with law enforcement many years ago.

Long story short, my father was accused (and convicted of) attempted murder of two Clinton Twp. businessmen in 1983. He'd had a run-in with these guys in 1980, but nothing came of it. A year or so later, he's arrested on these charges. Everyone knew he was at home the night of the attack, but despite repeated claims and having NO physical evidence of him doing this crime, he was convicted of it and nearly sentenced to many many, many years in prison.

By chance, the woman who would eventually be my mother picked up a newspaper by fate one morning and caught that as the headline. She immediately went to the police and said "this man is innocent. I know who did this". Finally, the police did some real digging, and her boyfriend at the time was implicated. Turns out him and two of his friends (one who was an employee) set this attack up as a means of robbing the joint. My dad's conviction was set aside, he met my mother, they were married and had us three boys. Now, had this not gone down, I might not even be here today (and sometimes I wouldn't mind that). But the fact that my father was nearly sent up because someone pointed a finger at him and, with NO proof tying him to this heinous attack, we could EASILY be bitter towards law enforcement. But, we're not (although, up until the day he died, he refused to live in Clinton Twp.).

I still have all of the newspaper clippings and audio of his TV and radio interviews (including one with David Newman). Instead of using it as ammo for being anti-cop and anti-law, it serves me as a reminder of how fragile life can be, and how it can change in an instant. I don't pick fights with people because, who knows...in two years, it could come back to haunt me.

I don't think he ever got over it. It tore the family up. Imagine nearly being sent to prison KNOWING you did nothing wrong. Just a guy that stands up in court and says "that's the guy". The family was in turmoil for that year or so. And then to be found guilty...I just can't imagine. He passed away in 2014 and I still miss him dearly. But I don't think he was ever able to shake that experience.

Shitty things can happen in life. Maybe it's time we started appreciating it, and each other, a little more.


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Re: I’m Really Concerned about the Divide in America

Post by lovinlife101 » Fri May 10, 2019 3:28 pm

Radio Sucks wrote:
Fri May 10, 2019 1:50 pm
In some ways, I agree with our police hating friend. The dissent and division of 1776 and 1860 did help create our country. And both devolved into shooting wars... Will that be necessary today?

But don’t put words in my mouth please sir. I’m not preaching unity - I’m preaching open mindedness and the attempt to discuss problems and disagreements to develop unique solutions to our country’s problems.

Take your signature problem - (and I believe here is where we will probably disagree). You seem to believe that elimination of police entirely is the only solution to the problem of police corruption. Others will violently fight that option. What’s the third solution that can benefit all?
Still waiting on a shred of evidence for any of your claims of me.



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Re: I’m Really Concerned about the Divide in America

Post by bmw » Fri May 10, 2019 4:11 pm

lovinlife101 wrote:
Fri May 10, 2019 3:28 pm
Still waiting on a shred of evidence for any of your claims of me.
This is laughable coming from someone who makes broad generalizations about millions of people based on the actions of a few. Where is YOUR evidence that each and every police officer is a Constitution-hating pig?



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Re: I’m Really Concerned about the Divide in America

Post by bmw » Fri May 10, 2019 4:13 pm

Mega Hertz - that is quite a story! Sorry your family had to go through that. Makes my story kind of pale in comparison. My dad was accused of making a bomb threat over a pay phone. He was arrested though never convicted as the prosecutor dropped the charges at the preliminary exam just seconds before the judge called the case. It was the 7 years of civil litigation against the police department that was straining on the family.

I find that as a percentage, there are more bad-apple prosecutors than bad-apple police officers. Prosecutors have far too much power, IMO, and not enough accountability for their actions.



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Re: I’m Really Concerned about the Divide in America

Post by lovinlife101 » Fri May 10, 2019 4:34 pm

lovinlife101 wrote:
Fri May 10, 2019 3:28 pm
[quote="Radio Sucks" post_id=572476 time=<a href="tel:1557510642">1557510642</a> user_id=12047]
In some ways, I agree with our police hating friend. The dissent and division of 1776 and 1860 did help create our country. And both devolved into shooting wars... Will that be necessary today?

But don’t put words in my mouth please sir. I’m not preaching unity - I’m preaching open mindedness and the attempt to discuss problems and disagreements to develop unique solutions to our country’s problems.

Take your signature problem - (and I believe here is where we will probably disagree). You seem to believe that elimination of police entirely is the only solution to the problem of police corruption. Others will violently fight that option. What’s the third solution that can benefit all?
Still waiting on a shred of evidence for any of your claims of me.
[/quote]
bmw wrote:
Fri May 10, 2019 4:11 pm
lovinlife101 wrote:
Fri May 10, 2019 3:28 pm
Still waiting on a shred of evidence for any of your claims of me.
This is laughable coming from someone who makes broad generalizations about millions of people based on the actions of a few. Where is YOUR evidence that each and every police officer is a Constitution-hating pig?
It’s “laughable” to ask for facts and evidence in untrue and unjustified accusations against me? No facts are being presented to the contrary. And they won’t, because they don’t exist.

How would you feel if people levied untrue accusations against you, then instead of supporting their position with actual evidence, they produce another untrue accusation?

Still waiting, by the way. Not required. I will never try to silence anyone nor force them to do something they don’t want to do. It’s your right.



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Re: I’m Really Concerned about the Divide in America

Post by Radio Sucks » Fri May 10, 2019 4:35 pm

lovinlife101 wrote:
Fri May 10, 2019 3:28 pm
Radio Sucks wrote:
Fri May 10, 2019 1:50 pm
In some ways, I agree with our police hating friend. The dissent and division of 1776 and 1860 did help create our country. And both devolved into shooting wars... Will that be necessary today?

But don’t put words in my mouth please sir. I’m not preaching unity - I’m preaching open mindedness and the attempt to discuss problems and disagreements to develop unique solutions to our country’s problems.

Take your signature problem - (and I believe here is where we will probably disagree). You seem to believe that elimination of police entirely is the only solution to the problem of police corruption. Others will violently fight that option. What’s the third solution that can benefit all?
Still waiting on a shred of evidence for any of your claims of me.
If you are offended by the “sir” I sincerely apologize. My gender assumption was inappropriate.

I don’t claim anything. I state my analysis of reading your past posts. In rereading them I still see an opinion that all cops are bad and we should get rid of them. Have I misinterpreted your intentions?



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Re: I’m Really Concerned about the Divide in America

Post by lovinlife101 » Fri May 10, 2019 5:17 pm

Radio Sucks wrote:
Fri May 10, 2019 4:35 pm
lovinlife101 wrote:
Fri May 10, 2019 3:28 pm
Radio Sucks wrote:
Fri May 10, 2019 1:50 pm
In some ways, I agree with our police hating friend. The dissent and division of 1776 and 1860 did help create our country. And both devolved into shooting wars... Will that be necessary today?

But don’t put words in my mouth please sir. I’m not preaching unity - I’m preaching open mindedness and the attempt to discuss problems and disagreements to develop unique solutions to our country’s problems.

Take your signature problem - (and I believe here is where we will probably disagree). You seem to believe that elimination of police entirely is the only solution to the problem of police corruption. Others will violently fight that option. What’s the third solution that can benefit all?
Still waiting on a shred of evidence for any of your claims of me.
If you are offended by the “sir” I sincerely apologize. My gender assumption was inappropriate.

I don’t claim anything. I state my analysis of reading your past posts. In rereading them I still see an opinion that all cops are bad and we should get rid of them. Have I misinterpreted your intentions?
I’m not offended. It’s just incorrect. But thanks for the apology. Most people here continue to use the incorrect gender or use a Native American stereotype to refer to me. Disgusting.

I do not believe all cops are bad. I do not believe in getting rid of all of them, although fewer on the force is a good idea. More police does not mean less crime. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/inv ... 818056002/



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Re: I’m Really Concerned about the Divide in America

Post by Mega Hertz » Fri May 10, 2019 8:53 pm

bmw wrote:
Fri May 10, 2019 4:13 pm
Mega Hertz - that is quite a story! Sorry your family had to go through that. Makes my story kind of pale in comparison. My dad was accused of making a bomb threat over a pay phone. He was arrested though never convicted as the prosecutor dropped the charges at the preliminary exam just seconds before the judge called the case. It was the 7 years of civil litigation against the police department that was straining on the family.

I find that as a percentage, there are more bad-apple prosecutors than bad-apple police officers. Prosecutors have far too much power, IMO, and not enough accountability for their actions.
Thanks, man. Nobody should have to feel that way.

He also had a suit against the city. He won, but I've heard in recent years that one cannot sue a department over a claim like that. I'd like to look for evidence of that but I'm stuck late at work.


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Re: I’m Really Concerned about the Divide in America

Post by stopnswop2 » Sat May 11, 2019 8:18 am

America was built upon divide and conquer.
This has been going on since 1776.
This is how the elite stay in power.
Unless we be like France.. it stays this way.
Mr. Rothschild, Mr. Rockefeller, and Mr. Kissinger doesn't care about you, or me, or anyone else here.
They publicly have referred to the public as "disposable humans".

Action my boy, not threads on a radio board!


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Re: I’m Really Concerned about the Divide in America

Post by Y M Ionhere » Sat May 11, 2019 8:59 am

We have a guy trolling left- wing sites who drives to DC and ends up opening fire on a ballfield, allegedly because the players were Republican. Sarah Sanders gets harrassed and banned from a restaurant because she works for Trump. Mitch Mcconnell gets harrassed and thrown out for the same reason. Rand Paul was attacked by a neighbor. Conservative commentator Tucker Carlson was threatened and attacked at a country club and people stormed his home and harrassed him. Antifa goes to conservative rallies with bats and holds up traffic. People are on video screaming at and refusing service to customers in Trump hats. A kid in a Trump hat who was trying to keep calm was libeled and slandered as a racist by much of the media. People vandalize and burn their own black churches and try to blame Trump supporters. Turning Point USA members are assualted on campuses. A liberal state rep harrasses a peaceful protester at a Pennsylvania abortion clinic.
The civil war has begun.
Yes, a Trump supporter did send pipe bombs to prominent democrats. But how much does 1 side take until they fight back?



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Re: I’m Really Concerned about the Divide in America

Post by zzand » Sat May 11, 2019 10:29 am

I tend to agree that the Civil War has already started, although by war standards it is pretty laid back. I also hope it stays that way. IMHO, and I know I will probably take heat for this opinion, this whole mess is because people didn't get what they want. Let me state I am not a Trump supporter, didn't vote for president in the last election, although I did fill out the rest of the ballot. I don't think he got elected for who he is as much as what he represented. Someone on the outside, not a career politician, who took the time to talk to the people in the "Fly Over States" who normally get ignored except for a token appearance now and then during an election cycle. He talked to the people that get up and go to work daily and keep the wheels turning. His message, simplified here, was presidents from both parties have ignored you and the country far to long to kiss international ass and it's about time we take care of us. it could have been anyone that spouted the message and they most likely would have won too. People were tired of business as usual and wanted real change. The party who made the point of saying time and time again that Trump would have to accept the election results have been unable to themselves and have spent every waking minute since the day after the election trying change them. That simply isn't going to happen and isn't going to change. They need to get down to the business of running the country, the job they were elected to do. If they don't I have a feeling they are not going to like the results of the next election. The Democrat field is up to over 20, if I am counting right with 1 or 2 more still considering a run. This says to me the party has fallen a part and has no clear leadership. Maybe they need to work on that too. I also feel that every member of congress, both chambers, who have served more than 2 terms needs to be given walking papers at the end of their current term. The President can only serve two terms, the same needs to happen in congress. Part of the problem, and this is for both parties, is that there is no fresh blood with reasonable fresh ideas for our nation. It is the same old shit day in and day out or off the wall plans that are as realistic as a Marvel comic book and I like Marvel comic books. These people are not our leaders, they are our employees. We elected them, we pay them to work for our benefit and if they aren't then we need to fire them. if things don't change then the laid back part of this Civil War will end and things could get dicey and since the greater number of legal gun owners are members of one of the 2 major parties things may turn out badly for those who are not members of that party. I am saddened to think my children and grand children may have to deal with that and the aftermath and all of us should be.



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Re: I’m Really Concerned about the Divide in America

Post by screen glare » Sat May 11, 2019 11:25 am

We currently have a POTUS in the white house who is refusing -and telling his administration to refuse - any and all subpoenas and other summons to testify under oath at any US House oversight hearing, or provide written documents - all having to do with one central issue: Mueller Investigation transparency. And The Mueller Investigation is about the Russian attack on our democracy and therefore our nation.

This has created a historic Constitutional Crisis, and a danger to our democracy.

We have a POTUS who believes he is above the law. And who is behaving as though he is above the law.

If he has nothing to hide he should be complying. Not stonewalling. Cooperating. Not obstructing The Law of The Land - The US Constitution and its mandate for Congressional oversight of the president and the entire executive branch of our government.

Trump is trying to become king. And just as with the tyranny of King George - the people will revolt. No man in the USA is above the law. Not even a mentally ill person who believes he is.

This is the most important divide in America because it threatens to destroy our three co-equal branches of our republic - each checking and balancing the powers of one another. One individual must never be king or queen in The United States of America for which our war dead have sacrificed their lives - starting with The Revolutionary War against the tyranny of England’s King George.

The Civil War in this country was about ending the unjust enslavement of men, women, and children - who were property - instead of equal with all other humans and free.

Injustice in all its forms - the dubious outcome of a national election - massively and expensively tampered with by enemy Russia; its favored candidate continuing to speak in secret for hours with Putin; Trump obstructing The Mueller Investigation’s transparency; and refusing to take meaningful steps to prevent Russian tampering in the next election - will rile most Americans and cause them to revolt if said injustice is destroying our union so as to ULTIMATELY destroy our enviable, hard won, sacred and delicate democracy.



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Re: I’m Really Concerned about the Divide in America

Post by zzand » Sat May 11, 2019 12:18 pm

"This is the most important divide in America because it threatens to destroy our three co-equal branches of our republic".

Speaker of the House Pelosi would disagree with you as she went on record this week saying that Congress is the superior branch of government. She is truly deranged...and you are a classic example of Trump Derangement Syndrome. Some day an expert will write about all those who suffered from this disease...Maybe you can make it into his or her book.



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Re: I’m Really Concerned about the Divide in America

Post by screen glare » Sun May 12, 2019 1:58 am

Leave it to you, zzand to miss the critical point - and veer off into some crap Pelosi said, or some “disagreement equals derangement” Fox-illogic equation, or me “making it” into some imagined book you’ve cooked up in your head.



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