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Predictions on how and when the shutdown ends

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Re: Predictions on how and when the shutdown ends

Post by Lester The Nightfly » Sat Jan 05, 2019 3:27 pm

Bryce wrote:
Fri Jan 04, 2019 4:10 pm
T Rump can't win here. If he tries to be a statesman and makes a deal for anything less than the 5, the media and left will trumpet the fact that "he caved" and they won.

He has to hold. Its the only way he can win.
10 minutes in Las Vegas is time enough to know relying on a single card to play isn't a winning strategy. :blink

(You would think someone who previously ran a casino would understand that, but then again it takes a special kind of talent to lose money running a gambling operation. What did he do? Lock the doors and say "Go Away!! Go Away!!)



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Re: Predictions on how and when the shutdown ends

Post by Deleted User 14888 » Sat Jan 05, 2019 5:06 pm

lovinlife101 wrote:
Sat Jan 05, 2019 11:38 am
Oldies 84 wrote:
Sat Jan 05, 2019 10:35 am
screen glare wrote:
Fri Jan 04, 2019 8:57 am
Human waste overflowing on to America’s pristine and beautiful national parks is a SYMBOL of Trump’s disdain and disrespect for our public lands and treasured landmarks. You know - “drill baby, drill”. No land set aside for all to enjoy when there’s a way to make an industrial buck off same. Mine, strip, cut, drill, defile with chemicals. Unbridled greed - the Trump Creed - now symbolized in photos of our filthy national parks. Not to mention all the rangers told to stay home. And not being paid.
Shameful.

Make America Great Again means Make America the Butt of a Sick International Joke. The world is laughing at our stupidity in ever electing him. General Mattis knows it. John McCain knew it. And every shocked world leader is either crying, or licking his/her chops with glee.
Really, Human waste in National Parks, Who the hell is pooping in the National Parks, Just who the hell writes this stuff? Fake News at its best must be The PBS Newshour.
Anytime I’ve ever gone to a national park, it’s trashed. You know what’s never trashed? Private parks! Oh, and I have to pay to go to a national park and a private park. At least I don’t have to pay during the “shutdown.”

Drive by any public park in Detroit and you find broken basketball rims, used condoms, syringes, and the like. Since it belongs to everyone, it belongs to no one.
And you know this by just driving by a park, God I wish I had that gift to know what’s in a park just by driving by it, you better go to the park while it’s free because the Government Shutdown could end soon.



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Re: Predictions on how and when the shutdown ends

Post by Deleted User 14888 » Sat Jan 05, 2019 7:23 pm

Damn, Maybe you should stop looking for condoms and syringes in the park, in fact stay the hell away from parks, perhaps a trip to the zoo would be more your cup of tea.



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Re: Predictions on how and when the shutdown ends

Post by Deleted User 14888 » Sat Jan 05, 2019 9:24 pm

Hey, keep my deceased parents out of the conversation jackass, maybe you need to go back to the park you might have lost one of your condoms there, please pick up after yourself, and by the way it looks like the shutdown could be months maybe years, you might have to build a cabin in the park so you can wake up every morning to start picking up condoms that everyone left the night before.



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Re: Predictions on how and when the shutdown ends

Post by Bryce » Sun Jan 06, 2019 6:15 am

Lester The Nightfly wrote:
Sat Jan 05, 2019 3:27 pm
Bryce wrote:
Fri Jan 04, 2019 4:10 pm
T Rump can't win here. If he tries to be a statesman and makes a deal for anything less than the 5, the media and left will trumpet the fact that "he caved" and they won.

He has to hold. Its the only way he can win.
10 minutes in Las Vegas is time enough to know relying on a single card to play isn't a winning strategy. :blink

(You would think someone who previously ran a casino would understand that, but then again it takes a special kind of talent to lose money running a gambling operation. What did he do? Lock the doors and say "Go Away!! Go Away!!)
I would say that if you were pretty sure your one card was the highest in play on the table, and no one has a pair, you would probably hold it rather than fold it.


New York and Chicago were all in with respect to their sanctuary status — until they were hit with the challenge of actually providing sanctuary. In other words, typical liberal hypocrisy.

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Re: Predictions on how and when the shutdown ends

Post by Deleted User 8570 » Sun Jan 06, 2019 10:25 am

Bryce wrote:
Sun Jan 06, 2019 6:15 am
Lester The Nightfly wrote:
Sat Jan 05, 2019 3:27 pm
Bryce wrote:
Fri Jan 04, 2019 4:10 pm
T Rump can't win here. If he tries to be a statesman and makes a deal for anything less than the 5, the media and left will trumpet the fact that "he caved" and they won.

He has to hold. Its the only way he can win.
10 minutes in Las Vegas is time enough to know relying on a single card to play isn't a winning strategy. :blink

(You would think someone who previously ran a casino would understand that, but then again it takes a special kind of talent to lose money running a gambling operation. What did he do? Lock the doors and say "Go Away!! Go Away!!)
I would say that if you were pretty sure your one card was the highest in play on the table, and no one has a pair, you would probably hold it rather than fold it.
Except Pelosi is a far better and more experienced player and a better bluffer...



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Re: Predictions on how and when the shutdown ends

Post by bmw » Sun Jan 06, 2019 10:42 am

Trump's problem is that the media (as always) is overwhelmingly biased not only in opposition to the shutdown, but also in choosing sides. I see story after story after story of all the bad things that the shutdown is causing and also a lot of scare tactics (flying is no longer safe, you'll lose your food stamps, etc), without a single story talking about what happens the longer we go without securing our border. The one-sided coverage is par for the course I guess.



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Re: Predictions on how and when the shutdown ends

Post by zzand » Sun Jan 06, 2019 10:56 am

People. people. people, we can all sit behind our keyboards and spit ball predictions but let us be honest. we have no clue how or when the shutdown will end. Fact, the White House is dug in as are the Democrats even though they continue to "negotiate". They say they are worried about we the people but anyone with an IQ higher than a garden slug knows that is bullshit. They continue to collect their paychecks while others do not. The only sanity I have seen in all of this is a plan to at least fund the IRS so tax refunds won't be held up, the lone indication that someone does care about we the people. Please put that forward and let it get the needed support and signature. Lot's of people depend on those checks to catch up on bills, make needed purchases etc,etc, and I am sure there are those of us here that do that too. If anyone thinks the president won't keep it closed long term they are mistaken. He isn't a politician, the reason a lot of people like him or dislike him, he is a business man running the country as a business. It is going to take level headed intelligent people on both sides of the aisle to bring this thing to a close and those won't be the richest members, they will be those who are closest to us in income, though not many truly are. I see people here bitching about overflowing toilets and trash cans, seriously? That is what bothers you? if so you need to rethink everything and think about those who are sitting at home with no paychecks or continuing to work without one, though as of this week they can all receive Unemployment checks, which will help a little. Toyota and Lexus are offering some help to those affected by giving them a two month break on payments, other companies who can should as well. Much is being made of this shutdown, but check history, Carter had one every year he was in office, and all of them in recent history have had them, it has become a negotiation ploy, with no one, not one member of either party really caring about us. If they did these would never happen. Call it Trump's shutdown if you will but the blame goes to both parties, no matter who lives in the White House.



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Re: Predictions on how and when the shutdown ends

Post by Bryce » Sun Jan 06, 2019 11:33 am

zzand wrote:
Sun Jan 06, 2019 10:56 am
People. people. people, we can all sit behind our keyboards and spit ball predictions but let us be honest. we have no clue how or when the shutdown will end. Fact, the White House is dug in as are the Democrats even though they continue to "negotiate". They say they are worried about we the people but anyone with an IQ higher than a garden slug knows that is bullshit. They continue to collect their paychecks while others do not. The only sanity I have seen in all of this is a plan to at least fund the IRS so tax refunds won't be held up, the lone indication that someone does care about we the people. Please put that forward and let it get the needed support and signature. Lot's of people depend on those checks to catch up on bills, make needed purchases etc,etc, and I am sure there are those of us here that do that too. If anyone thinks the president won't keep it closed long term they are mistaken. He isn't a politician, the reason a lot of people like him or dislike him, he is a business man running the country as a business. It is going to take level headed intelligent people on both sides of the aisle to bring this thing to a close and those won't be the richest members, they will be those who are closest to us in income, though not many truly are. I see people here bitching about overflowing toilets and trash cans, seriously? That is what bothers you? if so you need to rethink everything and think about those who are sitting at home with no paychecks or continuing to work without one, though as of this week they can all receive Unemployment checks, which will help a little. Toyota and Lexus are offering some help to those affected by giving them a two month break on payments, other companies who can should as well. Much is being made of this shutdown, but check history, Carter had one every year he was in office, and all of them in recent history have had them, it has become a negotiation ploy, with no one, not one member of either party really caring about us. If they did these would never happen. Call it Trump's shutdown if you will but the blame goes to both parties, no matter who lives in the White House.
I want to add the fact that currently the U.S. Federal budget is 4.4 Trillion dollars. 5 billion is pocket change. It's like you or I refusing to buy a cup of coffee for a friend. The refusal to fund the "wall" is purely political and I think even a garden slug can figure that out.


New York and Chicago were all in with respect to their sanctuary status — until they were hit with the challenge of actually providing sanctuary. In other words, typical liberal hypocrisy.

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Re: Predictions on how and when the shutdown ends

Post by zzand » Sun Jan 06, 2019 12:03 pm

Of course it is. The next two years will find one side not doing any of the nation's business, instead spending their time trying to get Pence into the White House, something I think they have forgotten. The other side will spend it's time posturing that we need to get to work on the country while blocking the work of the other side. The loser in all this? Us! FYI, just saw where the White House is saying steel will work instead on concrete, something the Dems have said they can live with. If they say no to this, then it is all on them since they have already said they can live with steel barriers.



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Re: Predictions on how and when the shutdown ends

Post by bmw » Sun Jan 06, 2019 1:09 pm

1 /880th of the budget. 1 out of 880.

Trump campaigned on building a wall. He was elected, at least in-part, to build a wall. That was a cornerstone of his campaign. Give him his damn wall.

Trump is standing on principle - the security of our nation. You may agree or disagree that a wall would enhance our security, but Trump's stand is a principled one. Democrats, on the other hand, are refusing to give him this money for two reasons - number 1, that they benefit as a political party from illegal immigration, and number 2, that building a wall would be a major victory for Trump, hence hampering their efforts to take back the White House in 2020.

Quite frankly, I think the democrats are making a political miscalculation here. The longer this goes on, the more blame will be directed towards House democrats for the reason that I stated above - I think more and more people will come to realize that democrats are stonewalling here for purely political reasons.



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Re: Predictions on how and when the shutdown ends

Post by Bryce » Sun Jan 06, 2019 4:44 pm

Nothing to do with politics my ass.
"We’re not doing a wall," Pelosi told reporters. "Does anybody have any doubt about that? We are not doing a wall. So that’s that. It has nothing to do with politics. It has to do with: The wall is an immorality between countries.
Are locks on your door an "immorality between neighbor's" Nancy?


New York and Chicago were all in with respect to their sanctuary status — until they were hit with the challenge of actually providing sanctuary. In other words, typical liberal hypocrisy.

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Re: Predictions on how and when the shutdown ends

Post by Deleted User 14888 » Sun Jan 06, 2019 5:56 pm

bmw wrote:
Sun Jan 06, 2019 1:09 pm
1 /880th of the budget. 1 out of 880.

Trump campaigned on building a wall. He was elected, at least in-part, to build a wall. That was a cornerstone of his campaign. Give him his damn wall.

Trump is standing on principle - the security of our nation. You may agree or disagree that a wall would enhance our security, but Trump's stand is a principled one. Democrats, on the other hand, are refusing to give him this money for two reasons - number 1, that they benefit as a political party from illegal immigration, and number 2, that building a wall would be a major victory for Trump, hence hampering their efforts to take back the White House in 2020.

Quite frankly, I think the democrats are making a political miscalculation here. The longer this goes on, the more blame will be directed towards House democrats for the reason that I stated above - I think more and more people will come to realize that democrats are stonewalling here for purely political reasons.

Amen to that, I’m with you on that every word, this guy makes sense, the longer the shutdown the more the The President’s chances for Re-election will Be greater because he kept his promise, and it’s all on principle.



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Re: Predictions on how and when the shutdown ends

Post by TC Talks » Sun Jan 06, 2019 7:42 pm

Stupid debate all the way around...

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Re: Predictions on how and when the shutdown ends

Post by bmw » Sun Jan 06, 2019 9:56 pm

TC Talks wrote:
Sun Jan 06, 2019 7:42 pm
Stupid debate all the way around...
We had the debate. 2 and a half years ago. And Trump won it by getting elected. Did you miss the part of his campaign where he promised a wall and then miss the part where he won the election?



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